| Leroy Fer loses 4k 02:49 - Sep 24 with 7900 views | FredManRave |
Sounds like he's chomping at the bit to get back playing after his Sunderland "dissapointment". Great news for us as a fit and firing Fer could and should do some serious damage in this league. On form he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet.
Bench on Friday, impact sub to kill the game off...
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/qpr-midfielder-leroy [Post edited 24 Sep 2015 3:51]
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| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 10:48 - Sep 25 with 1190 views | simmo |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 09:50 - Sep 25 by QPunkR |
Suppose it's just because he's looked a helluva lot better in the #10 role than when he's played further back for us. I haven't been as much as usual this season, but at Charlton Luongo didn't play as well as he has since (bit of a mangled-up sentence but I can't be arsed to re-write it, you know what I mean!). He didn't play badly exactly, showed nice touches etc, but he's looked far more natural and useful to this team played further forward. |
It's one game though, and the whole team was out of sorts for Charlton - I wouldn't put much stock in the performance of anybody. I do agree that Luongo has done well there, but I have also seen his lack of being clinical when he's got a goal scoring chance, unlike Fer he doesn't have the ability to smash a goal from 25 yards and get something out of nothing. He also can't support Charlie in the air like Fer can. Don't get me wrong, I like Luongo where he's been playing and he's been our outstanding signing, I am not advocating for Fer to walk straight back in, but I am convinced Luongo is a good enough player to drop a little deeper and use his engine and tenacity to do a box-to-box role - exactly as he has done for most of his career. He's a good number 10 because he's a good all-round player!
We're also supposed to be playing a more 'fluid' style, with midfilders going beyond Charlie, etc and interchanging positions. Again I think Fer is a better match for this, he's played as a 2nd striker/Fellaini type with great success and I think especially at home, we will be all the more difficult to deal with if we have Faurlin, Luongo, Fer, Chery and Phillips as the 5 behind Austin. |  |
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| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 11:21 - Sep 25 with 1177 views | QPunkR |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 10:48 - Sep 25 by simmo |
It's one game though, and the whole team was out of sorts for Charlton - I wouldn't put much stock in the performance of anybody. I do agree that Luongo has done well there, but I have also seen his lack of being clinical when he's got a goal scoring chance, unlike Fer he doesn't have the ability to smash a goal from 25 yards and get something out of nothing. He also can't support Charlie in the air like Fer can. Don't get me wrong, I like Luongo where he's been playing and he's been our outstanding signing, I am not advocating for Fer to walk straight back in, but I am convinced Luongo is a good enough player to drop a little deeper and use his engine and tenacity to do a box-to-box role - exactly as he has done for most of his career. He's a good number 10 because he's a good all-round player!
We're also supposed to be playing a more 'fluid' style, with midfilders going beyond Charlie, etc and interchanging positions. Again I think Fer is a better match for this, he's played as a 2nd striker/Fellaini type with great success and I think especially at home, we will be all the more difficult to deal with if we have Faurlin, Luongo, Fer, Chery and Phillips as the 5 behind Austin. |
Aye, I'm not against changing shizz up and seeing what works. The good thing is that we've got a large enough group of AMs who can interchange and you'd hope the coach will pick the 3 behind Charlie on merits to capitalise on specific weaknesses in the opposition.
In terms of DM/CM we're more limited but if Luongo had a Sandro/Henry type who's positionally sound alongside him there's enough evidence over the rest of his career he can do a job, despite his weaker showing at Charlton. Only problem is that we *need* Ale doing that role. I'm not sure if an Ale/Luongo CM partnership would provide enough cover for the defence unfortunately |  |
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| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 11:38 - Sep 25 with 1165 views | simmo |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 11:21 - Sep 25 by QPunkR |
Aye, I'm not against changing shizz up and seeing what works. The good thing is that we've got a large enough group of AMs who can interchange and you'd hope the coach will pick the 3 behind Charlie on merits to capitalise on specific weaknesses in the opposition.
In terms of DM/CM we're more limited but if Luongo had a Sandro/Henry type who's positionally sound alongside him there's enough evidence over the rest of his career he can do a job, despite his weaker showing at Charlton. Only problem is that we *need* Ale doing that role. I'm not sure if an Ale/Luongo CM partnership would provide enough cover for the defence unfortunately |
That's the biggest question mark but I don't think it will matter to be honest. We will blow teams away with that attacking 6. Also let's be honest, teams are not exactly coming to LR and having a go at us playing attacking and gung-ho football. We don't need to worry too much about having overly defensive players - it's a myth that you need that to stop a team scoring, we, just like any team, need players on the pitch to be disciplined with their positioning and to cut out individual mistakes - that's where most of our goals against have come from anyway, that and set pieces.
We can out-score and out-attack teams at home and we will have too much for them when we do it. I think we can tinker with it away, the same way you can change it mid-game to 'shore things up' if you feel it's needed. | |
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| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 12:08 - Sep 25 with 1143 views | QPunkR |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 11:38 - Sep 25 by simmo |
That's the biggest question mark but I don't think it will matter to be honest. We will blow teams away with that attacking 6. Also let's be honest, teams are not exactly coming to LR and having a go at us playing attacking and gung-ho football. We don't need to worry too much about having overly defensive players - it's a myth that you need that to stop a team scoring, we, just like any team, need players on the pitch to be disciplined with their positioning and to cut out individual mistakes - that's where most of our goals against have come from anyway, that and set pieces.
We can out-score and out-attack teams at home and we will have too much for them when we do it. I think we can tinker with it away, the same way you can change it mid-game to 'shore things up' if you feel it's needed. |
Oh I know, much as I think Henry gets a bad rap, I really do think he's utterly surplus to requirements at home! | |
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| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 12:30 - Sep 25 with 1123 views | Dando |
In my opinion we lack a defensive/central midfielder who can bring the ball forward. A the moment, we have Henry who can break up attacks but is not effective on the ball. As soon as he gets it, he plays the ball sideways and slows down the attack. It may work against strong attacking sides but in this division and with the players we have got, we should not be playing so negatively. Luongo is comfortable on the ball and can bring the ball forward from deep, whilst still being a great battler and tackler of the ball. Fer is much better further forward where he can create, has strength, has a great shot and scores goals. It would be criminal to leave him on the bench. Would be typical of QPR to waste him on the bench, and then see him leave in January and excel somewhere else. |  | | |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 12:38 - Sep 25 with 1117 views | WestminsteRs |
I'd go with Fer behind Austin and probably one of Luongo or Faurlin with Henry until Sandro is "fit" to replace Henry.
Fer is a quality footballer and had an impressive goal tally in the Premier League (when played in a suitable position). |  | | |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 12:54 - Sep 25 with 1102 views | TacticalR |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 09:23 - Sep 25 by davman |
Fer and Sandro should walk back into the team; they are both classy and, in their right positions (Sandro Defensive Mid next to Ale) and Fer (one of the 'floating' three instead of Chery) HAVE to be picked.
I know its not the message we want to send out to Chery as one of the summer recruits, but Fer is better there. Their national manager thinks so and so do I.
So there... |
In the national team Fer has players behind him like Nigel de Jong who know how to make tackles to the chest.  |  |
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| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 13:18 - Sep 25 with 1080 views | Hunterhoop |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 12:54 - Sep 25 by TacticalR |
In the national team Fer has players behind him like Nigel de Jong who know how to make tackles to the chest. |
In holding midfield there are two categories:
Faurlin starts ahead of Luongo and Toszer.
Sandro ahead of Henry, who's ahead of Doughty.
Of the various combinations, we know Toszer and Henry doesn't work, so that should be avoided at all costs. Clearly Faurlin/Sandro will be the best one, you'd imagine.
In attacking midfield:
Philips starts wide right ahead of Mackie
Chery starts wide left ahead of Mackie, Hoilett, et al
Fer should probably start in no. 10 ahead of Luongo BUT the latter is in possession and I don't think for it's good management to drop Luongo when he's playing well to accommodate someone who wanted out. Fer has to come off the bench in a game or two and play well to justify starting selection.
Managing a group of people and creating the right culture is more complicated than just picking the best players. We know to our costs that it's not "all about players" (HR quote). It's how you manage each and every one of them to get the best out of them, It sends the wrong message to drop Luongo for Fer, unless Luongo is injured/tired for tonight. Fer has to prove, off the bench, he can offer more. If he was a genuine team man, he would completely understand that and respect it. |  | | |
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| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 13:25 - Sep 25 with 1074 views | GetMeRangers |
| Leroy Fer loses 4k on 13:18 - Sep 25 by Hunterhoop |
In holding midfield there are two categories:
Faurlin starts ahead of Luongo and Toszer.
Sandro ahead of Henry, who's ahead of Doughty.
Of the various combinations, we know Toszer and Henry doesn't work, so that should be avoided at all costs. Clearly Faurlin/Sandro will be the best one, you'd imagine.
In attacking midfield:
Philips starts wide right ahead of Mackie
Chery starts wide left ahead of Mackie, Hoilett, et al
Fer should probably start in no. 10 ahead of Luongo BUT the latter is in possession and I don't think for it's good management to drop Luongo when he's playing well to accommodate someone who wanted out. Fer has to come off the bench in a game or two and play well to justify starting selection.
Managing a group of people and creating the right culture is more complicated than just picking the best players. We know to our costs that it's not "all about players" (HR quote). It's how you manage each and every one of them to get the best out of them, It sends the wrong message to drop Luongo for Fer, unless Luongo is injured/tired for tonight. Fer has to prove, off the bench, he can offer more. If he was a genuine team man, he would completely understand that and respect it. |
Interestingly, CR has said on player that it isnt a settled side yet, but he went out of his way to say how he felt sorry for Hall. Chaz also mentioned, when asked which players had impressed that arrived in the summer, he choose Mass for the partnership he is building with him and Hall
I certainly think you are right about proving yourself from the bench, even if the player should 'walk into the side'. Presumably it helps competition and effort from those on the field knowing there si quality on the bench to replace them at anytime |  | | |
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