| Junior Doctors Strike 22:04 - Feb 10 with 15924 views | Swanzay |
Is it me or is the BBC towing the Jeremy Hunt party line today, that its not him to blame?
I fully support the JDs.
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 03:12 - Feb 13 with 1536 views | Humpty |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 14:59 - Feb 11 by skippyjack |
The problem with Junior Dr's.. they haven't lived in the 'real world'..
They'll probably make some snidey remark about the 'real world'.. but it's true.
They'll earn around 60-150 thousand when they're 45 years old.
They just don't understand do they. |
Yeah.
Junior doctors who have to deal with the most awful stuff you could imagine haven't lived in the real world.
Unemployed clown on the internet knows more about the real world than them.
F*ck off Skippy. Have a wash, get down the Job Centre, don't swear at the people who have to deal with you and get a f*cking job. |  | | |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 03:27 - Feb 13 with 1532 views | Humpty |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 09:47 - Feb 11 by dickythorpe |
Some of those strikers with their placards looked very washed out and tired......feck me it looked as if they were enjoying it!!!
Get some of them to work on a building site, supermarket, coal mine, car wash, care home, call centre for a day and they soon wouldnt complain! |
I think junior doctors actually work far harder than people in supermarkets and car washes. And call centres.
I think they also work far harder than whatever you do. | | | |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 03:30 - Feb 13 with 1532 views | Humpty |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 21:18 - Feb 11 by Kerouac |
When the NHS was set up by the Labour government after the war it was about getting medical staff to serve the people.
Now the Labour party is about supporting the bourgeois medical staff's wishes over the needs of the people.
That party is lost in the wilderness. |
Heh!
Bourgeois medical staff!
Fair play. You're a tw*t! | | | |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 03:46 - Feb 13 with 1528 views | Humpty |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:20 - Feb 12 by Kerouac |
"You keep talking about this being a vocation, as if that means they shouldn't be fairly recompensed for their time. I find that a very strange viewpoint. "
- Check out for yourselves if they are "fairly recompensed" here; https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/about/careers-medicine/pay-doctors
I am surrounded by health care professionals on the Gower. We are talking £500k+ houses.
"There's a load of spin on both sides of this argument. For a start, deaths are not higher on weekends. More people die in hospitals in the mid-week than on weekends. Where the weekend spin has come from is that for patients admitted on a weekend there is a higher mortality rate within 30 days of when they were admitted. There could be several reasons for this and it's been well documented that it is not necessarily down to staffing levels. "
- 6 out of 8 studies disagree with you. Is it for healthcare professionals to decide who to believe and what strategy to follow? I don't think so. They have a mandate. You need to deliver the health service the electorate is asking for. That's how democracy works.
"There is a 7 day NHS currently, so that's more spin. But if they want to increase staff levels over weekends they need to spend more, unless they reduce levels during the week."
- There is a 7 day A&E, not NHS. So you are the one spinning. They think they don't need to do this. Again, it's not for NHS staff to decide on how to achieve this. If they introduce a 7 day NHS and find that they need more staff and chuck more money at it that is what they will have to do won't they? The government of the day would have to explain to the electorate that a 7 day NHS is only possible with an increase in taxes and the electorate could choose at the ballot box.
"The bottom line is that junior doctors will take a significant pay hit through this deal (up to about £4k per year, or about 13%, I believe). On a per hour basis they are paid an insulting pittance for the training they've been through, responsibility they have and role they do. They shouldn't be working 90+ hour weeks to top up salaries to an almost reasonable level. They should be receiving their current salary for working sensible hours (about half of what they do now)."
- The average salary of a Junior doctor is about £37k isn't it? Not an insulting pittance...and the deal being proposed is trying to significantly reduce their working hours with a minimal effect on their pay packet. The pay off being taking their turn to work Saturdays on the rota without extra pay.
Yes we all need it. Yes we all want to see it staffed with well motivated happy staff.
At the ned of the day I care more about the patients and what the electorate wants.
The electorate doesn't want to get rid of trident....bare in mind I have sympathy for the scrap trident position (being a Lib Dem and all).
If any government could wave a magic wand and recover all unpaid tax they would.
In reality you have to spend money (at the Inland Revenue) in order to recover a portion of that tax.
Which was started under the coalition and has been continued by this government. |
500K houses on the Gower are the norm for junior doctors? | | | |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 04:17 - Feb 13 with 1519 views | squarebear |
Not just junior doctors. Also nurses according to his post on page one. |  | | |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 09:14 - Feb 13 with 1483 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 04:17 - Feb 13 by squarebear |
Not just junior doctors. Also nurses according to his post on page one. |
What, have 500K houses on the gower? You're not one of those con dems too???
Like "Klegourac"????
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 09:39 - Feb 13 with 1471 views | Nogginthenog |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 23:39 - Feb 12 by Kerouac |
Corbyn doesn't raise the issue at PM's questions, I wonder why hmmmm.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3439238/Jeremy-Hunt-s-pledge-seven-day-N
So when we formed a coalition with the Tories we were behaving disgracefully, breaking our pre-election promises in the manifesto.....but now you admit;
"And as far as manifestos go, most of them contain nothing but broken promises, and that's from all persuasions."
...and as for your claim that a 7 day NHS is affordable only if we;
"stop interfering in overseas escapades that waste billions and cause nothing but destruction and misery."
When the Coalition came in in 2010 the UK had troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
THE LABOUR PARTY PUT THEM THERE.
Today we have no boots on the ground in conflict zones.
REMEMBER KIDS, NOBODY DOES HYPOCRISY AND BITTER CHIP ON THE SHOULDER QUITE LIKE THE LABOUR PARTY |
Look I don't care who put them there, they shouldn't be there full stop. As for no cost as there's no boots on the ground , you are living in cloud cuckoo land. The cost is astronomical in money and smashed lives and displacement of innocent people in abject misery. It is a matter of priorities and the Tories prioritise the mighty dollar more than anything else especially when it benefits their cronies. |  | | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 10:18 - Feb 13 with 1454 views | blueytheblue |
Interesting radio 4 segment this morning. Junior doctor intimating many will leave Britain. Someone from a company that looks to get doctors work abroad completely contradicted that saying there's little market abroad at the moment for junior doctors; specialists such as consultants or GPs the market is still there.
Basically said that the roles aren't there. Places like Australia and New Zealand have already more or less filled available roles and in any rate the wages abroad were generally reducing.
The guy was also asked if there had been a large number of new enquiries to his company. He responded he'd had a few, not many.
Given his business model involves getting doctors work abroad, it doesn't act in his interests to downplay the chances of work abroad so I guess the "mass exodus" claim / threat some have put out there is a hollow claim / threat to have made. | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 10:25 - Feb 13 with 1451 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 10:18 - Feb 13 by blueytheblue |
Interesting radio 4 segment this morning. Junior doctor intimating many will leave Britain. Someone from a company that looks to get doctors work abroad completely contradicted that saying there's little market abroad at the moment for junior doctors; specialists such as consultants or GPs the market is still there.
Basically said that the roles aren't there. Places like Australia and New Zealand have already more or less filled available roles and in any rate the wages abroad were generally reducing.
The guy was also asked if there had been a large number of new enquiries to his company. He responded he'd had a few, not many.
Given his business model involves getting doctors work abroad, it doesn't act in his interests to downplay the chances of work abroad so I guess the "mass exodus" claim / threat some have put out there is a hollow claim / threat to have made. |
They can go to Scotland or wales which would be the easiest I guess . |  |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 10:40 - Feb 13 with 1429 views | blueytheblue |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 10:25 - Feb 13 by oh_tommy_tommy |
They can go to Scotland or wales which would be the easiest I guess . |
True; that of course depends upon the budgets being there to employ them, after all.
Those who claimed they would go abroad however may face a rude awakening. | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:38 - Feb 13 with 1417 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 03:01 - Feb 13 by Humpty |
And when you keep on going about a mandate.
The mandate said we'd have a 7 day NHS.
When did the mandate say we'd make doctors work harder for less money? |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:42 - Feb 13 with 1412 views | blueytheblue |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:38 - Feb 13 by Jack_Meoff |
This. |
Will they be on less money? Has that been proven either way, independently? | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:49 - Feb 13 with 1402 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:42 - Feb 13 by blueytheblue |
Will they be on less money? Has that been proven either way, independently? |
Do you honestly think government gives one flying f*ck about patient care? It's all about how much money they can siphon off to shareholders.
Stop thinking left/right Labour/Tory for one minute and look at this objectively.
Government doesn't give a f*ck if you or your family live or die. Or mine. They're criminal filth whose sole purpose is to funnel public money into private hands. Wake up.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/junior-doctor-perfectly-explains-why-you-should-back-them-1 | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:51 - Feb 13 with 1394 views | Humpty |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:42 - Feb 13 by blueytheblue |
Will they be on less money? Has that been proven either way, independently? |
Do you think Jeremy has gone through all this effort to give them more money?
Really Bluey? | | | |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:57 - Feb 13 with 1389 views | blueytheblue |
The whole private sector garbage being peddling is belied by the fact there's little to no money in it for private companies. The profits are made on care provisions.
A 24/7 NHS should be achieved. Forget the "oh A&E is 24/7".
In my case, I had to have a minor surgery related to kidney stones. In and out in a day. Being self-employed, I had to take a day off meaning the company lost a day's income.
Like it or not, there's more demand for medical services. The resistance to non A&E services on weekends is ridiculous. | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 13:25 - Feb 13 with 1355 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:57 - Feb 13 by blueytheblue |
The whole private sector garbage being peddling is belied by the fact there's little to no money in it for private companies. The profits are made on care provisions.
A 24/7 NHS should be achieved. Forget the "oh A&E is 24/7".
In my case, I had to have a minor surgery related to kidney stones. In and out in a day. Being self-employed, I had to take a day off meaning the company lost a day's income.
Like it or not, there's more demand for medical services. The resistance to non A&E services on weekends is ridiculous. |
Hey bluey, your company would make more coin if you operated 7 days. Maybe you should impose new contracts on your employees, see how that goes down. | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 13:35 - Feb 13 with 1349 views | blueytheblue |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 13:25 - Feb 13 by Jack_Meoff |
Hey bluey, your company would make more coin if you operated 7 days. Maybe you should impose new contracts on your employees, see how that goes down. |
Nice to see you're conflating a for profit company in the private sector with a non profit public service funded by taxpayers. Apples, Oranges. Or more accurately, apples and gorillas.
Since we've two different claims from two different sides, has any independent group made a full assessment as to how pay levels would be affected? Yes / No? | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 13:48 - Feb 13 with 1343 views | quiff |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:57 - Feb 13 by blueytheblue |
The whole private sector garbage being peddling is belied by the fact there's little to no money in it for private companies. The profits are made on care provisions.
A 24/7 NHS should be achieved. Forget the "oh A&E is 24/7".
In my case, I had to have a minor surgery related to kidney stones. In and out in a day. Being self-employed, I had to take a day off meaning the company lost a day's income.
Like it or not, there's more demand for medical services. The resistance to non A&E services on weekends is ridiculous. |
They haven't helped that by closing over 50% of the Walk in Centres in the UK since 2010. Hunt has previously written about his desire to have a privately operated health service, what fool thinks this is genuinely about helping people or the NHS? It sets a really dangerous precedent of contracts being imposed, which even many of the heads of the NHS Trusts are coming out against Hunt. [Post edited 13 Feb 2016 14:06]
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 13:55 - Feb 13 with 1340 views | blueytheblue |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 13:48 - Feb 13 by quiff |
They haven't helped that by closing over 50% of the Walk in Centres in the UK since 2010. Hunt has previously written about his desire to have a privately operated health service, what fool thinks this is genuinely about helping people or the NHS? It sets a really dangerous precedent of contracts being imposed, which even many of the heads of the NHS Trusts are coming out against Hunt. [Post edited 13 Feb 2016 14:06]
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Walk in centres though have staff you see on a general ad hoc basis, with no prior knowledge surely?
The whole system as it stands isn't good enough with regards to weekend facilitation for patients. Want a GP appointment? You work? Ah well, if you can get an appointment you'll have to take a day off work. Need a minor op? Same thing.
A privately operated health service wouldn't work nor would it be desirable for private companies in the UK. There's just not the money to make it worthwhile. Private care is where the money is.
Private partnerships within the NHS on the other hand isn't an evil as some would want to make out. The horrendous PFI deals Labour really drove on, on the other hand... eh.... | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 14:13 - Feb 13 with 1318 views | quiff |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 13:55 - Feb 13 by blueytheblue |
Walk in centres though have staff you see on a general ad hoc basis, with no prior knowledge surely?
The whole system as it stands isn't good enough with regards to weekend facilitation for patients. Want a GP appointment? You work? Ah well, if you can get an appointment you'll have to take a day off work. Need a minor op? Same thing.
A privately operated health service wouldn't work nor would it be desirable for private companies in the UK. There's just not the money to make it worthwhile. Private care is where the money is.
Private partnerships within the NHS on the other hand isn't an evil as some would want to make out. The horrendous PFI deals Labour really drove on, on the other hand... eh.... |
Private interests want profit, when you consider that is out of heathcare it's hardly the best use of resources- the priority of Health provision should be care, as you yourself also said, it is hard to make a profit out of healthcare within the NHS. There are plenty of examples of private partnerships being a disaster, the main one being the circle franchised NHS trust.
I agree with you on GP's entirely. But again there are a number of issues there, thefact that most surgeries aren't owned and run exclusively by the NHS means it's not as easy as just imposing changes on them, and there is resistance, partly because they know that it would involve the same or less resources spread thinner as opposed to investment to make it a viable 7 day service. If you look at the average vacancy for a gp taking a year to fill, widespread dismay by doctors and patients alike against 10 minute appointments and the huge hours worked by GP's its not as simple as black and white | |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 18:47 - Feb 13 with 1294 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 23:55 - Feb 11 by pikeypaul |
Retard,you obviously do not know how the NHS budget works. |
Oops. Anger issues... [Post edited 14 Feb 2016 13:23]
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 20:19 - Feb 13 with 1270 views | jacabertawe |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 03:01 - Feb 13 by Humpty |
And when you keep on going about a mandate.
The mandate said we'd have a 7 day NHS.
When did the mandate say we'd make doctors work harder for less money? |
They don't have to in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. No strikes! |  |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 20:36 - Feb 13 with 1270 views | Edmundo |
Whats everyone squawking about....whatever happens in nhs england does not affect our ever so perfect Nhs Wales......simples 👠|  |
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| Junior Doctors Strike on 20:46 - Feb 13 with 1259 views | blueytheblue |
| Junior Doctors Strike on 11:51 - Feb 13 by Humpty |
Do you think Jeremy has gone through all this effort to give them more money?
Really Bluey? |
Where did I say more money?
The doctors are the ones stating they will all be losing money, I believe the government claim was nobody would be out of pocket.
So again, is there any independent evidence as to which claim is true?
After all, both sides have their own agenda. | |
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