| Birch’s programme notes 12:09 - Dec 29 with 29316 views | marchamjack |
Can’t do the linky thing on my phone...thanks in advance to whoever puts them up...if anyone is still in any doubt about Trev being a puppet of the Yanks, have a read 😠|  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 08:20 - Dec 30 with 1771 views | builthjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 18:32 - Dec 29 by Blue_Blood |
I've posted on here regarding your academy and I believe it's good for the youth of South Wales and the Wales national team to have two thriving academy's in South Wales.
Nobody on here has convinced me that your academy is not self sufficient therefore it shouldn't even be in contention when it comes to cuts.
It's your main (maybe only) hope of developing assets and it's fair to say that you haven't even seen the full benefits of a being a cat 1 academy yet.
I think it's a bizarre move and it's basically your owners throwing your future away for a quick return |
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| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Birch’s programme notes on 08:32 - Dec 30 with 1760 views | SwanDownUnder |
| Birch’s programme notes on 16:00 - Dec 29 by NotLoyal |
Positivity? |
He's being realistic. He doesn't work for then fans, what do you expect, we don't even hear from the people who represent the fans. |  | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 08:42 - Dec 30 with 1745 views | SwanDownUnder |
| Birch’s programme notes on 08:41 - Dec 30 by Catullus |
Birch was brought in to do a job and that means that where he can cut costs, he will. He'll sell Ayew and Baston (if he can) AND cut the academy if he thinks it needs to be done. He'll make impartial decisions based on the numbers because that's his job, his area of expertise.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
Our owners want their profit, anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
Our owners need to be careful how far they go with the cuts though, there's no profit in it for them if we get relegated again.
PS, after we were relegated from the EPL I was argued with when I said we could face cuts to the academy and training facilities because of the financial losses. Sometimes though, there's no pleasure in being right [Post edited 30 Dec 2019 8:43]
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| Birch’s programme notes on 09:12 - Dec 30 with 1713 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birch’s programme notes on 08:41 - Dec 30 by Catullus |
Birch was brought in to do a job and that means that where he can cut costs, he will. He'll sell Ayew and Baston (if he can) AND cut the academy if he thinks it needs to be done. He'll make impartial decisions based on the numbers because that's his job, his area of expertise.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
Our owners want their profit, anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
Our owners need to be careful how far they go with the cuts though, there's no profit in it for them if we get relegated again.
PS, after we were relegated from the EPL I was argued with when I said we could face cuts to the academy and training facilities because of the financial losses. Sometimes though, there's no pleasure in being right [Post edited 30 Dec 2019 8:43]
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Our owners dont care what league we end up in, all they are bothered about is not putting any money into the club. |  | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:14 - Dec 30 with 1710 views | SwanDownUnder |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:12 - Dec 30 by Fireboy2 |
Our owners dont care what league we end up in, all they are bothered about is not putting any money into the club. |
So you are saying they don't care about their investment and you want them to invest to dilute our shares? | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:23 - Dec 30 with 1694 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:14 - Dec 30 by SwanDownUnder |
So you are saying they don't care about their investment and you want them to invest to dilute our shares? |
Yes as long as they are cutting costs they are happy as they are siphoning money out of the club, we have made so much from transfers since relegation, couple those up with parachute payments the amount coming in outweighs what is going out, which means they are getting money out of the club, these people are ruthless businessmen and they know how to make money, for those who think that they cant siphon money out is living in timbuktu. | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:24 - Dec 30 with 1692 views | Dr_Winston |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:23 - Dec 30 by Fireboy2 |
Yes as long as they are cutting costs they are happy as they are siphoning money out of the club, we have made so much from transfers since relegation, couple those up with parachute payments the amount coming in outweighs what is going out, which means they are getting money out of the club, these people are ruthless businessmen and they know how to make money, for those who think that they cant siphon money out is living in timbuktu. |
The accounts are due out soon. What will happen if they show that no money has been syphoned out of the club at all? |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 09:28 - Dec 30 with 1684 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:24 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
The accounts are due out soon. What will happen if they show that no money has been syphoned out of the club at all? |
The accounts will show just that Doc, i expect nothing less.
As ive said these are clever manipulative businessmen who just live to make money, i knew this when they became the owners. | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:34 - Dec 30 with 1675 views | Dr_Winston |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:28 - Dec 30 by Fireboy2 |
The accounts will show just that Doc, i expect nothing less.
As ive said these are clever manipulative businessmen who just live to make money, i knew this when they became the owners. |
The accounts aren't just what they've decided to slap together and put out. There is oversight and independent audit. It's a legal requirement for a company the size of the Swans. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 09:43 - Dec 30 with 1664 views | builthjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:24 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
The accounts are due out soon. What will happen if they show that no money has been syphoned out of the club at all? |
Obviously it won't show siphoning monies out.
But there will be unexplained areas. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Birch’s programme notes on 09:48 - Dec 30 with 1653 views | Neath_Jack |
Can't see anything wrong with it myself.
There is no money, and we are getting less income every season. Do some of you really want them to gamble with the clubs very existence? Let's hope they can find a way to fund the Cat 1 academy without putting us further down shite street.
Yeah the buying pints thing is trying to get the fans on side, and hopefully renew their season tickers, again, nothing wrong in that. We need as many people coming through those gates as possible. Those who are pouting about not being in the premier league, not buying players etc, are only going to make the situation worse by not turning up.
We all know the owners are only interested in cutting their loses and getting out of dodge. They'll obviously want those loses to be as little as possible, so will need to stabilise the club to make it even slightly attractive to perspective buyers.
What do people expect Birch to do? He's got a job to do, whilst trying to keep the fans onside. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 09:54 - Dec 30 with 1644 views | Dr_Winston |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:43 - Dec 30 by builthjack |
Obviously it won't show siphoning monies out.
But there will be unexplained areas. |
What do you think HMRC will do about those unexplained areas? | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:08 - Dec 30 with 1625 views | monmouth |
| Birch’s programme notes on 12:23 - Dec 29 by Cooperman |
This is a strange comment...
“ At least season ticket holders can have a free drink on me and the club today.” |
Yes, reads like...('everything not nailed down will be sold and the club is heading down the drain, but) at least...' |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:08 - Dec 30 with 1625 views | SwanDownUnder |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:28 - Dec 30 by Fireboy2 |
The accounts will show just that Doc, i expect nothing less.
As ive said these are clever manipulative businessmen who just live to make money, i knew this when they became the owners. |
Oh my god, you think HMRC is in on it to? | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:10 - Dec 30 with 1624 views | Cooperman |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:48 - Dec 30 by Neath_Jack |
Can't see anything wrong with it myself.
There is no money, and we are getting less income every season. Do some of you really want them to gamble with the clubs very existence? Let's hope they can find a way to fund the Cat 1 academy without putting us further down shite street.
Yeah the buying pints thing is trying to get the fans on side, and hopefully renew their season tickers, again, nothing wrong in that. We need as many people coming through those gates as possible. Those who are pouting about not being in the premier league, not buying players etc, are only going to make the situation worse by not turning up.
We all know the owners are only interested in cutting their loses and getting out of dodge. They'll obviously want those loses to be as little as possible, so will need to stabilise the club to make it even slightly attractive to perspective buyers.
What do people expect Birch to do? He's got a job to do, whilst trying to keep the fans onside. |
He’s also got to ensure that correct financial practices are applied. Whilst he might not be CFO, he and the directors of SCFC are accountable for ensuring that financial irregularities do not occur. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:11 - Dec 30 with 1621 views | Cooperman |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:08 - Dec 30 by monmouth |
Yes, reads like...('everything not nailed down will be sold and the club is heading down the drain, but) at least...' |
That was exactly my first thought. | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:15 - Dec 30 with 1612 views | marchamjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:43 - Dec 30 by builthjack |
Obviously it won't show siphoning monies out.
But there will be unexplained areas. |
And there will be large ‘management fees’ and other such catch-all phrases that have no real explanation. | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:17 - Dec 30 with 1605 views | SwanDownUnder |
You know Stuart already has access to this right? | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:20 - Dec 30 with 1594 views | builthjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:54 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
What do you think HMRC will do about those unexplained areas? |
Nothing. They will be consultancy, management fees, etc etc. But you know that.
I was asked before if you are Birch in disguise. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:21 - Dec 30 with 1589 views | Cooperman |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:15 - Dec 30 by marchamjack |
And there will be large ‘management fees’ and other such catch-all phrases that have no real explanation. |
In which case current FY gets compared to last FY and the year before that. There are some fundamental questions that can be asked even if you don’t have the first idea about accounting practices. | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:27 - Dec 30 with 1579 views | marchamjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:21 - Dec 30 by Cooperman |
In which case current FY gets compared to last FY and the year before that. There are some fundamental questions that can be asked even if you don’t have the first idea about accounting practices. |
I shall look forward then to your full year end analysis when the accounts are published | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:28 - Dec 30 with 1578 views | Dr_Winston |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:20 - Dec 30 by builthjack |
Nothing. They will be consultancy, management fees, etc etc. But you know that.
I was asked before if you are Birch in disguise. |
Which have to be accounted for. Explained. Justified. If there's a £10m "consultancy fee" in the accounts I'm fully prepared to admit that I'm wrong. If there isn't will you be?
No. I'm not Birch in disguise. Just someone keeping an open mind and looking for facts rather than immediately jumping to suspicion and accusation. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:37 - Dec 30 with 1551 views | monmouth |
Birch is what he is. Not a 'good guy' not a 'bad guy', just there to do a specific job. Package up the club for disposal seems the obvious one, or failing a buyer emerging, then run it under its own steam in whatever division makes that an equilibrium prospect. That is, if income matches expenditure in league 2 that's whare we will exist. It's actually how all clubs should be run. I'm afraid those of that mind can forget 'investment to reach the next level'. That boat sailed with relegation. If he could, I'm sure he'd like that 'equilibrium' to be the championship, but not many pull that trick off because their eyesget filled with premier league shit and they put their clubs at risk.
Stabilised championship, to try and build another promotion team would be a major success. In my view it's time people set their expectations more realistically. We're not ready to aim at play offs or promotion. We need to model Leeds or Norwich. That's our best future. Our worst future is to just retain a football club longer term. That's the legacy of mismanagement from 2014 to now.
Meanwhile, as NJ says, he has to keep the PR effort going as non renewals simply make everything worse. He's doing a job...a mixture of FD/CEO Sales and Customer Service Director all rolled together.
Worrying to hear that MacDonald is going down the Cooze route. For my money Huw Cooze should go back into that role immediately and Silent Stu step aside. Cooze has been burned and would have his eyes open to all the schmoozing and fawning. [Post edited 30 Dec 2019 10:38]
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:44 - Dec 30 with 1529 views | Cooperman |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:27 - Dec 30 by marchamjack |
I shall look forward then to your full year end analysis when the accounts are published |
Only time will tell. | |
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