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Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 20:28 - Jan 15 by longlostjack
No they didn’t. Complete myth.
But Germany was on it`s knees, it was in a hell of a mess after the wall st crash and the massive loans they had to get after world war one, under the Nazi's things certainly got better no matter how they went about it the country was in a much better state than it was before, of course things then went off the rails as the thirties drew to a close.
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Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 19:01 - Jan 16 with 2074 views
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 18:57 - Jan 16 by perplex
But Germany was on it`s knees, it was in a hell of a mess after the wall st crash and the massive loans they had to get after world war one, under the Nazi's things certainly got better no matter how they went about it the country was in a much better state than it was before, of course things then went off the rails as the thirties drew to a close.
Yes. I suppose the modern equivalent of a quick fix. Fall in unemployment coupled with a return of national pride convinced many a German of the older generation. It just wasn’t sustainable though.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 21:13 - Jan 16 by longlostjack
Yes. I suppose the modern equivalent of a quick fix. Fall in unemployment coupled with a return of national pride convinced many a German of the older generation. It just wasn’t sustainable though.
And of course they were building a war machine with a ready supply of slave labour.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 10:08 - Jan 16 by LeonWasGod
By choice. If Parliament wasn't sovereign it couldn't have delegated legislative responsibility in certain areas to the EU through the European Communities Act (1972) and it couldn't chose to end that arrangement through the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill 2019-20.
The EU laws in certain areas could not have taken primacy if our Parliament had not passed the law enabling them to do so. It has always been sovereign and will continue to be.
You're better than to fall for the dumb slogans spouted by the likes of Farage.
Good luck with the hours you’ll spend trying (and failing as the rest of us who’ve explained it to him no end of times) to get that through his interminably thick skull.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 21:13 - Jan 16 by longlostjack
Yes. I suppose the modern equivalent of a quick fix. Fall in unemployment coupled with a return of national pride convinced many a German of the older generation. It just wasn’t sustainable though.
Surely what wasn't sustainable was the penury that the Germans were given to suffer after the the Treaty of Versaille in 1919, which directly led to the insane hyperinflation they suffered in 1923 ( which led to speculators having an absolute field day).
I'm no expert on 1930's Germany, but given the bleakness of the 1920s, the infrastructure that was built during the 1930s seems in retrospect pretty remarkable. Hitler was also on the cover of Time magazine in 1938 as 'Man of the Year' I believe before the outbreak of WW2 in 1939.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 23:48 - Jan 16 by Jack_Meoff
Surely what wasn't sustainable was the penury that the Germans were given to suffer after the the Treaty of Versaille in 1919, which directly led to the insane hyperinflation they suffered in 1923 ( which led to speculators having an absolute field day).
I'm no expert on 1930's Germany, but given the bleakness of the 1920s, the infrastructure that was built during the 1930s seems in retrospect pretty remarkable. Hitler was also on the cover of Time magazine in 1938 as 'Man of the Year' I believe before the outbreak of WW2 in 1939.
Very good points.
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Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 20:42 - Jan 17 with 1831 views
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 19:01 - Jan 16 by perplex
Agree, so it`s true then, the economy did improve for a while at least under the Nazi`s.
For the average citizen it didn’t. Starvation was widespread. People were expected to work 70+ hours a week for less. All these great infrastructure projects were built essentially on slave labour. If you didn’t comply you’d go missing in the night, or at least get a bit of a battering from those lovely chaps in the S.A.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 23:48 - Jan 16 by Jack_Meoff
Surely what wasn't sustainable was the penury that the Germans were given to suffer after the the Treaty of Versaille in 1919, which directly led to the insane hyperinflation they suffered in 1923 ( which led to speculators having an absolute field day).
I'm no expert on 1930's Germany, but given the bleakness of the 1920s, the infrastructure that was built during the 1930s seems in retrospect pretty remarkable. Hitler was also on the cover of Time magazine in 1938 as 'Man of the Year' I believe before the outbreak of WW2 in 1939.
Yes the mistake of Versailles was they wanted to utterly humiliate Germany and its people. The sham that was the Weimar Republic was little more than a puppet government who served the interests of everyone except the people they were supposed to be serving. (That bit sounds familiar). Add to that the fact that Germany was still a relatively new country that was not at all used to democracy and you had a bubbling volcano ready to erupt.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 20:52 - Jan 17 by Highjack
Yes the mistake of Versailles was they wanted to utterly humiliate Germany and its people. The sham that was the Weimar Republic was little more than a puppet government who served the interests of everyone except the people they were supposed to be serving. (That bit sounds familiar). Add to that the fact that Germany was still a relatively new country that was not at all used to democracy and you had a bubbling volcano ready to erupt.
The failure of Versailles was to humiliate the Germans. But the origins of this was from the Franco-Prussian war, where France surrendered and The seeds of WW1 were sown.
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Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 23:18 - Jan 17 with 1782 views
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 22:31 - Jan 17 by swan85
The failure of Versailles was to humiliate the Germans. But the origins of this was from the Franco-Prussian war, where France surrendered and The seeds of WW1 were sown.
History is always a sequence of events but some have more impact than others. Reparations played a massive role in German history and the rise of Mr H. The reparations created a wounded mentality. What if Hitler had stuck to building up the infrastructure- autobahns etc instead of going for an enormous rearmament programme which they couldn’t afford? History is a funny thing.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 14:37 - Jan 15 by JimmyGilligan
The 'gas showers and deaths of millions' happened much later, he's referring to the start of the nazi regime, and he isn't far wrong. The unjustified hatred today towards certain sections of society just because of their beliefs, differences and/or colour, which has been flamed by good old Boris on more than one occasion, is something not to be taken lightly.
What f*cking idiot down voted this post, it's spot on, Boris has exploited the situation and all the flag waving knuckle draggers love it
The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though
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Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 11:40 - Jan 18 with 1711 views
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 10:08 - Jan 16 by LeonWasGod
By choice. If Parliament wasn't sovereign it couldn't have delegated legislative responsibility in certain areas to the EU through the European Communities Act (1972) and it couldn't chose to end that arrangement through the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill 2019-20.
The EU laws in certain areas could not have taken primacy if our Parliament had not passed the law enabling them to do so. It has always been sovereign and will continue to be.
You're better than to fall for the dumb slogans spouted by the likes of Farage.
Leon, it is the delegation of those powers that means our membership of the EU reduces Westminsters sovereignty. As long as we have to obey rules and laws made by an institution that is not Westminster we are not a sovereign nation.
When we leave sovereignty is restored, there is a difference between being sovereign and being able to restore sovereignty.
You cannot argue one simple fact, when the EU passes a law we are legally bound to obey it, if we don't the EU can punish us,
In that respect Parliament is not fully sovereign.
edit, In political science, sovereignty is usually defined as the most essential attribute of the state in the form of its complete self-sufficiency in the frames of a certain territory, that is its supremacy in the domestic policy and independence in the foreign one
So reading that (taken from wiki admittedly) tell me if it applies to the UK. Until we leave the EU we cannot negotiate our own trade deals, cannot enforce our own laws if they contradict EU laws and have to adopt EU rules of face a punishment until we align ourselves. The further into sovereignty you delve, and even the experts agree on this, the more tangled it gets and those same experts don't agree entirely on what soveriegnty means. With that in mind I expect we can agree to disagree because we are not experts, just people with an opinion. Having a different opinion doesn't make you thick.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 20:42 - Jan 17 by Highjack
For the average citizen it didn’t. Starvation was widespread. People were expected to work 70+ hours a week for less. All these great infrastructure projects were built essentially on slave labour. If you didn’t comply you’d go missing in the night, or at least get a bit of a battering from those lovely chaps in the S.A.
Actually starvation and was widespread the army was in bits before the Nazi`s took over, once they did they enlisted thousands of unemployed and staving citizens to join the military so they then had payed jobs, the economy got better as people were employed in factories to build up the military etc , ask any historian the facts are things improved for a while at least once the Nazi`s took over.
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Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 12:48 - Jan 18 with 1677 views
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 21:28 - Jan 16 by exiledclaseboy
Good luck with the hours you’ll spend trying (and failing as the rest of us who’ve explained it to him no end of times) to get that through his interminably thick skull.
None as blind as those who don't accept democratic decisions.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 12:21 - Jan 18 by perplex
Actually starvation and was widespread the army was in bits before the Nazi`s took over, once they did they enlisted thousands of unemployed and staving citizens to join the military so they then had payed jobs, the economy got better as people were employed in factories to build up the military etc , ask any historian the facts are things improved for a while at least once the Nazi`s took over.
Improving economic conditions, initially at least, is seen as one of the cornerstones of facist regimes isn’t it. See productivism policies in Mussolini’s Italy for example. Slashing taxes, weakening workers rights like outlawing strikes, and favouring and supporting businesses over people. The country’s economic position improves, but the peasants are kept in line.
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Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 18:22 - Jan 18 with 1611 views
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 12:21 - Jan 18 by perplex
Actually starvation and was widespread the army was in bits before the Nazi`s took over, once they did they enlisted thousands of unemployed and staving citizens to join the military so they then had payed jobs, the economy got better as people were employed in factories to build up the military etc , ask any historian the facts are things improved for a while at least once the Nazi`s took over.
From that point on the writing was on the wall. The Versailles treaty specifically forbade increasing the size of the armed forces beyond a certain number, it forbade having an air force. When the Nazi's started rebuilding the armed forces nothing was done which gave Hitler more confidence, the more he did without any reaction from the rest of Europe, the more cocksure he became.
A lot of their wealth came from the confiscation of money, property and assets. They had the banks on side, big businesses were allowed to run monopolies. They didn’t really generate much wealth of their own.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 20:52 - Jan 17 by Highjack
Yes the mistake of Versailles was they wanted to utterly humiliate Germany and its people. The sham that was the Weimar Republic was little more than a puppet government who served the interests of everyone except the people they were supposed to be serving. (That bit sounds familiar). Add to that the fact that Germany was still a relatively new country that was not at all used to democracy and you had a bubbling volcano ready to erupt.
Reading this book at the moment.
Not long finished the chapter about Germany post WW1. According to the author, the mark, in 1914, stood at 4.2 to the dollar. 'By 1923...Germany experienced the single greatest destruction of monetary value in human history. By August 1923, a dollar was worth 620,000 marks and by November 1923, 630 billion.'
'The people who truly raked it in were the speculators. By buying up assets - houses, jewelry, paintings, furniture - at throwaway prices from middle class families desperate for cash, by cornering the market in goods that were in scarce supply, profiteering in imported commodities and gambling on a further collapse in their currency, they enriched themselves beyond their wildest dreams.'
It would seem that for some individuals' misery there always lies profit for others.
It's interesting you say that at that time Germany was still a new country, as, the more I read about WW1 I wonder what it was actually about. In the book above the author describes the people of both France and Germany not expecting the conflict to last more than six months, and also saying that each of the countries populations not really knowing why it was actually occurring.
I read a book a few years ago, the premise was that it was Britain that was the architect of WW1 as it was fearful of Germany at that time overtaking it as the economic powerhouse of Europe. That a few individuals within the cabinet at the time (Asquith, Grey and Lloyd George amongst them along with Lord Milner) organised the Triple Entente and set events in motion that ultimately brought about the war. When war was declared it was not only a shock to the public but also Parliament and a lot of the cabinet too. It was an interesting narrative anyway.
Like I said, I'm no expert, but the more I read on the subject of the world wars in the 20th century the less clear and more murky it becomes.
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.
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Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 20:52 - Jan 18 with 1568 views
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 20:37 - Jan 18 by Jack_Meoff
Reading this book at the moment.
Not long finished the chapter about Germany post WW1. According to the author, the mark, in 1914, stood at 4.2 to the dollar. 'By 1923...Germany experienced the single greatest destruction of monetary value in human history. By August 1923, a dollar was worth 620,000 marks and by November 1923, 630 billion.'
'The people who truly raked it in were the speculators. By buying up assets - houses, jewelry, paintings, furniture - at throwaway prices from middle class families desperate for cash, by cornering the market in goods that were in scarce supply, profiteering in imported commodities and gambling on a further collapse in their currency, they enriched themselves beyond their wildest dreams.'
It would seem that for some individuals' misery there always lies profit for others.
It's interesting you say that at that time Germany was still a new country, as, the more I read about WW1 I wonder what it was actually about. In the book above the author describes the people of both France and Germany not expecting the conflict to last more than six months, and also saying that each of the countries populations not really knowing why it was actually occurring.
I read a book a few years ago, the premise was that it was Britain that was the architect of WW1 as it was fearful of Germany at that time overtaking it as the economic powerhouse of Europe. That a few individuals within the cabinet at the time (Asquith, Grey and Lloyd George amongst them along with Lord Milner) organised the Triple Entente and set events in motion that ultimately brought about the war. When war was declared it was not only a shock to the public but also Parliament and a lot of the cabinet too. It was an interesting narrative anyway.
Like I said, I'm no expert, but the more I read on the subject of the world wars in the 20th century the less clear and more murky it becomes.
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I think this sums it up more succinctly than any book, academic or historian ever could.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Brexit is just like Nazi Germany in the 30's on 21:13 - Jan 16 by longlostjack
Yes. I suppose the modern equivalent of a quick fix. Fall in unemployment coupled with a return of national pride convinced many a German of the older generation. It just wasn’t sustainable though.
It wasn't just the older Germans. It wasn't older Germans who joined the SA and went around committing crimes at the orders of the Fuhrer and his cohorts. Germans of all ages and social groups fell for it.
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