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VAR Yes or No? 16:44 - May 16 with 642 views

Block8

PL Clubs to vote on VAR, I think it should go, maybe keep the offside section of it and bin the rest?

VAR Yes or No? on 18:27 - May 16 with 594 views

SalisburySaint

If the offside element is automated I think it will work, so keep that and goal line technology

VAR Yes or No? on 19:32 - May 16 with 550 views

City_boy

I would be happy to keep VAR providing it is only used for clear and obvious. If they are going to continue measuring shirt sleeves and whether a players laces are off side, then scrap it.

A time limit , of say, 90 seconds should also be added to make a decision. if the team of people in the control room can't see an infringement in 90 seconds, and have to play the scene over and over multiple times, it is not 'clear and obvious'.

VAR Yes or No? on 21:26 - May 16 with 483 views

hedgeend61

VAR Yes or No? on 18:27 - May 16 by SalisburySaint
If the offside element is automated I think it will work, so keep that and goal line technology

Agree, both are factual, goal line tech must be kept for sure.

Penalties, sending offs are subjective, opinions, leave to the Ref, he may get some wrong but so do VAR who can still take an age and get it wrong. (Gordon penalty for Newcastle yesterday was even missed completely by VAR, you can understand the Ref missing it).

The handball law for a penalty should be changed to just deliberate handball, like the old days, instead of giving poncey pens where the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Think most people must understand what deliberate is.

VAR Yes or No? on 09:39 - May 17 with 370 views

saint901

There is a balance between accuracy of decisions and the spirit and passion the game should generate.

Goal line tech = yes, keep it.

For me however the delays, controversies, hairline decisions, etc are all robbing the game of the energy and passion the fans want and feed on and having a small percentage of more accurate decisions is not worth it.

I also hate seeing players throw themselves down in the box and then making the square sign to the ref asking for VAR. That should be a yellow card.

VAR Yes or No? on 12:33 - May 17 with 333 views

Ifonly

VAR Yes or No? on 21:26 - May 16 by hedgeend61

Offside isn't factual. VAR isn't accurate in the same way as goal line technology and even that isn't 100%. VAR doing offside is just some bloke drawing a line on the screen after making a judgement about the exact moment a ball was played, where exactly the scoring parts of the body are etc. It might be accurate to within a yard, but no more than that.

VAR Yes or No? on 12:50 - May 17 with 327 views

SFC_Referee

VAR Yes or No? on 12:33 - May 17 by Ifonly
Offside isn't factual. VAR isn't accurate in the same way as goal line technology and even that isn't 100%. VAR doing offside is just some bloke drawing a line on the screen after making a judgement about the exact moment a ball was played, where exactly the scoring parts of the body are etc. It might be accurate to within a yard, but no more than that.

Well being in an offside position or not is factual, as it’s only the intervening with play part to the law that’s opinionated.
But most of the other issues will simply be sorted with this semi-automated VAR as there will be sensors in the ball to know when it’s been kicked and then cameras that will make sure to get the best angles for offsides. All of which should be done a lot quicker than how it’s getting done today

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VAR Yes or No? on 13:14 - May 17 with 309 views

Ifonly

VAR Yes or No? on 12:50 - May 17 by SFC_Referee

Well, you've just said where the law isn't factual, so thanks for that. But you're leaving out all the other areas where it isn't factual either. The law requires judgements to be made about whether a number of things were "deliberate", whether a player has "control of the ball", whether the ball was "not moving quickly" etc. There are plenty of judgements involved.

VAR Yes or No? on 13:32 - May 17 with 303 views

1ASIN12

VAR Yes or No? on 19:32 - May 16 by City_boy

Exactly we were “sold” that VAR was only to be used for clear and obvious mistakes.

What we have ended up with is VAR refereeing the game , checking every goal, penalty etc.

I’d go less than 90 seconds- if you can’t make up your mind in 15 seconds then you can’t expect the on field refs to - If you can sport an offside / foul in 15 seconds or under then the on field refs should have.

No one ever complained about an attackers big toe being a mm off side. Even drawing the lines is open to debate.

Clear and obvious remember.

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VAR Yes or No? on 13:34 - May 17 with 302 views

SFC_Referee

VAR Yes or No? on 13:14 - May 17 by Ifonly
Well, you've just said where the law isn't factual, so thanks for that. But you're leaving out all the other areas where it isn't factual either. The law requires judgements to be made about whether a number of things were "deliberate", whether a player has "control of the ball", whether the ball was "not moving quickly" etc. There are plenty of judgements involved.

But whether they’re in an offside position or not is factual, which is what the semi-automates VAR’s there for. As it’s been drawing the lines, comparing them, getting the best timings for when the balls been kicked etc… that’s what takes up most of the delays to the VAR checks for offsides.

And ok so you’ve listed some of the things that are taken into account for “resetting” an offside through a defender deliberately playing it or not, but that doesn’t usually take too long for VAR, and even then it’s not often they’ve gotta check that as most offsides have quite simply been a case of where they in an offside position or not. As the main thing that almost all offsides are decided on is the positioning, and that is deliberate

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