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Looks like up to 800 job losses to be announced, 600 at Port Talbot, a devastating blow for the area, let's just hope Tata keep the faith and see these rough times through
You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
"Forty-seven Vietnamese or forty-seven Filipinos can be employed for the cost of one person in a developed country like France. The adoption of global free trade would therefore be utterly disastrous for the middle- and working-classes of the West, as the transnational corporations simply move their production operations offshore. But the poor of the less-developed world would not benefit much, either
...one of the characteristics of developing countries is that a small handful of people controls the overwhelming majority of the nation's resources. It is these people ... who assemble the cheap labour which is used to manufacture products for the developed world. Thus, it is the poor in the rich countries who will subsidize the rich in the poor countries."
"Forty-seven Vietnamese or forty-seven Filipinos can be employed for the cost of one person in a developed country like France. The adoption of global free trade would therefore be utterly disastrous for the middle- and working-classes of the West, as the transnational corporations simply move their production operations offshore. But the poor of the less-developed world would not benefit much, either
...one of the characteristics of developing countries is that a small handful of people controls the overwhelming majority of the nation's resources. It is these people ... who assemble the cheap labour which is used to manufacture products for the developed world. Thus, it is the poor in the rich countries who will subsidize the rich in the poor countries."
Very true and this is the future but it must be handled in stages. We must protect our industries as the transition takes place. There has to be a levelling out but the cost must be bourne across the civilised world. In the short term BBC Cardiff says there is nothing Carwyn can do to sort out the problem other than the offer he has made of 60m. Really? They are letting him off the hook. He has pumped more than that into Rhoose airport. How about shelving some of the Cardiff projects to fund the support whilst we get the steel industry back on its feet.?
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
"Forty-seven Vietnamese or forty-seven Filipinos can be employed for the cost of one person in a developed country like France. The adoption of global free trade would therefore be utterly disastrous for the middle- and working-classes of the West, as the transnational corporations simply move their production operations offshore. But the poor of the less-developed world would not benefit much, either
...one of the characteristics of developing countries is that a small handful of people controls the overwhelming majority of the nation's resources. It is these people ... who assemble the cheap labour which is used to manufacture products for the developed world. Thus, it is the poor in the rich countries who will subsidize the rich in the poor countries."
Very interesting video (set of videos), what's the name of his book, I'd like to read it?
From listening to what he has to say, the only solutions I can think to the issues he raise is to either a. pay a citizens wage from money raised by taxing corporations or b. increase import levies on products which could be produced in the UK to give corporations the incentive to employ people in this country.
The issue with a. is that corporations will find ways to avoid the tax, as they are doing that now and the issue with b. is that it is probably not possible within the EU? I don't know if the last bit I said there is true, I can't imagine moving of labour from the UK to the EU is much of a problem it would be to much lower wage economies outside the EU but does the EU government set the tariffs for non-EU imports or is that the responsibility of UK? I would guess the latter is the case, in which case the EU is not the problem but the current UK government.
Very interesting video (set of videos), what's the name of his book, I'd like to read it?
From listening to what he has to say, the only solutions I can think to the issues he raise is to either a. pay a citizens wage from money raised by taxing corporations or b. increase import levies on products which could be produced in the UK to give corporations the incentive to employ people in this country.
The issue with a. is that corporations will find ways to avoid the tax, as they are doing that now and the issue with b. is that it is probably not possible within the EU? I don't know if the last bit I said there is true, I can't imagine moving of labour from the UK to the EU is much of a problem it would be to much lower wage economies outside the EU but does the EU government set the tariffs for non-EU imports or is that the responsibility of UK? I would guess the latter is the case, in which case the EU is not the problem but the current UK government.
Wait til we get TTIP. Oh bbbbbbaby.....you just ain't seen nothing yet.
Very interesting video (set of videos), what's the name of his book, I'd like to read it?
From listening to what he has to say, the only solutions I can think to the issues he raise is to either a. pay a citizens wage from money raised by taxing corporations or b. increase import levies on products which could be produced in the UK to give corporations the incentive to employ people in this country.
The issue with a. is that corporations will find ways to avoid the tax, as they are doing that now and the issue with b. is that it is probably not possible within the EU? I don't know if the last bit I said there is true, I can't imagine moving of labour from the UK to the EU is much of a problem it would be to much lower wage economies outside the EU but does the EU government set the tariffs for non-EU imports or is that the responsibility of UK? I would guess the latter is the case, in which case the EU is not the problem but the current UK government.
"Forty-seven Vietnamese or forty-seven Filipinos can be employed for the cost of one person in a developed country like France. The adoption of global free trade would therefore be utterly disastrous for the middle- and working-classes of the West, as the transnational corporations simply move their production operations offshore. But the poor of the less-developed world would not benefit much, either
...one of the characteristics of developing countries is that a small handful of people controls the overwhelming majority of the nation's resources. It is these people ... who assemble the cheap labour which is used to manufacture products for the developed world. Thus, it is the poor in the rich countries who will subsidize the rich in the poor countries."
I've got a signed copy of The Trap knocking about the house somewhere. I went to see him speak in the early '90s, Dai, he was a larger than life character that's for sure.
What he's saying there is nothing new, though. Goldsmith may have become rattled by the consequences of Capital's machinations but siren voices were raised here long before his. Listen to this from 1936. Forget about outdated references to Empire but listen closely to the general thrust of argument. How precise is the summation of today's predicament?
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Goldsmith is partially correct.. but it's mainly 'societies' fault.. society buy products..
The manufacturers get out clause.. demand is there, destroy society at your peril..
it's simple enough.. people make choices..
you choose to destroy the climate you choose to smoke you choose to drink you choose to buy products you choose to unbalance the economy You choose to buy cars and petrol
economic collapse is what society wants..
is the world going to stop? no.
It's all greed.. the world is manufactured around greed.
it's like a magnetised plague, and it's getting worse.. people are getting too greedy, too quick.. this dimension is moving too fast..
studies indicate that millions of youngsters in the western world are suffering burnout.. because they're being exposed to vast amounts of information.
The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds.
Goldsmith is partially correct.. but it's mainly 'societies' fault.. society buy products..
The manufacturers get out clause.. demand is there, destroy society at your peril..
it's simple enough.. people make choices..
you choose to destroy the climate you choose to smoke you choose to drink you choose to buy products you choose to unbalance the economy You choose to buy cars and petrol
economic collapse is what society wants..
is the world going to stop? no.
It's all greed.. the world is manufactured around greed.
it's like a magnetised plague, and it's getting worse.. people are getting too greedy, too quick.. this dimension is moving too fast..
studies indicate that millions of youngsters in the western world are suffering burnout.. because they're being exposed to vast amounts of information.
'You choose to buy products' is a belter. I hope enough people are suitably ashamed to stop buying things. The economy would be in great shape if nobody bought anything.
Well as of today im redundant its a strange feeling after 27 years
But hey new beginnings and all that
You have my sympathy mate and all the best for the future. I also hope the complete disaster this country now finds itself in does not affect any potential takeover and therfore the creation of job opportunities for you and the others who have lost their jobs. I wish you all the very best.
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
Very interesting video (set of videos), what's the name of his book, I'd like to read it?
From listening to what he has to say, the only solutions I can think to the issues he raise is to either a. pay a citizens wage from money raised by taxing corporations or b. increase import levies on products which could be produced in the UK to give corporations the incentive to employ people in this country.
The issue with a. is that corporations will find ways to avoid the tax, as they are doing that now and the issue with b. is that it is probably not possible within the EU? I don't know if the last bit I said there is true, I can't imagine moving of labour from the UK to the EU is much of a problem it would be to much lower wage economies outside the EU but does the EU government set the tariffs for non-EU imports or is that the responsibility of UK? I would guess the latter is the case, in which case the EU is not the problem but the current UK government.
The EU sets tariffs and provides the coordinating structure through which EU industry is protected from cheap imports.I
Im training on the lorries with all the exams etc thees a fair bit to it
Good luck Jimbo, I've just about finished my Gas quals, it hasn't been to bad though in fairness, still lots to learn though, but I'll get that on the job.
Im training on the lorries with all the exams etc thees a fair bit to it
Got a job starting Wednesday its in Avonmouth picking up medical waste and Sharps etc from Hospitals Health centres Sexual Health centres and Funeral homes
At least I will get some experience driving
My Routes are in Hereford Gloucestershire and Bristol
Got a job starting Wednesday its in Avonmouth picking up medical waste and Sharps etc from Hospitals Health centres Sexual Health centres and Funeral homes
At least I will get some experience driving
My Routes are in Hereford Gloucestershire and Bristol
Word is they are taking on 100 agency workers again if its true its a kick in the teeth to those of us that have just been laid off
More than a rumour, Jim, and it's a lot more than a hundred spread across the works. A lot more.
We have now arrived at a situation where you will have two men working side-by-side, day-in-day-out, performing the same task. One will have holiday pay, sick pay, a company pension (albeit a reduced package from the old BSC) the other will have none of the aforementioned. Given the respective rates of pay, perhaps differing shift allowance too, the one man will probably be earning somewhere in the region of £10k more than the other.
It's despicable but these multinationals fully aware of the depressed nature of local employment prospects will exploit the situation to the utmost and what's more both Labour and Plaid will stand up and applaud at the Senedd, hailing it as some sort of triumph.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
More than a rumour, Jim, and it's a lot more than a hundred spread across the works. A lot more.
We have now arrived at a situation where you will have two men working side-by-side, day-in-day-out, performing the same task. One will have holiday pay, sick pay, a company pension (albeit a reduced package from the old BSC) the other will have none of the aforementioned. Given the respective rates of pay, perhaps differing shift allowance too, the one man will probably be earning somewhere in the region of £10k more than the other.
It's despicable but these multinationals fully aware of the depressed nature of local employment prospects will exploit the situation to the utmost and what's more both Labour and Plaid will stand up and applaud at the Senedd, hailing it as some sort of triumph.
Tata's excuse..
you all choose to work for Tata.. Tata works for himself. And everyone has the 'right' to do so.
Tata is responsible for the cancer epidemic that has been thrust upon the western world.
Tata believes the workforce is responsible for the cancer holocaust.. because they actively partake in the cause of cell mutation.
Therefore Tata treats it's workforce like murderous scum.. which, in theory, is correct.
But the 'working man' is blind, and manipulated by propaganda.
Over to you.
The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds.
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now you posted the link I recall that they said the interviewer introduced the book at the start of part 1. 
