| Ms Wood for First Minister 09:13 - May 12 with 7361 views | trampie |
Parties that are backing Leanne Wood for First Minister achieved approximately 57% of the vote compared to parties backing Carwyn Jones for First Minister who only got approximately 43% of the vote. |  |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:19 - May 12 with 1228 views | trampie |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:06 - May 12 by nice_to_michu |
So what? Anyone can be a member, clearly Labour didn't think he shared their values to be a representative.
He actually represented Plaid in the Assembly and now he's a Tory AM.
That's a bit different. |
So what ? , lol, its you brought it up, not me.  | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:27 - May 12 with 1209 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Carwyn Jones to get the backing of two UKIP ams to become first minister. |  |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:28 - May 12 with 1207 views | trampie |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:12 - May 12 by acejack3065 |
No, instead you tried to share it with the ACTUAL tories and the Purple Tories. I guess that makes Plaid the Daffodil Tories. |
I would not do that, if Plaid was in charge I would not share it with the Conservatives or UKIP, Leanne all the way in that circumstance. | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:30 - May 12 with 1188 views | CountyJim |
All I know is Labour would not form a coalition with the Tories or UKIP
They would rather go alone than sell out |  | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:35 - May 12 with 1181 views | acejack3065 |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:28 - May 12 by trampie |
I would not do that, if Plaid was in charge I would not share it with the Conservatives or UKIP, Leanne all the way in that circumstance. |
But that's exactly what Leanne tried to do yesterday. Its like talking to a wall. |  | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister (n/t) on 12:51 - May 12 with 1163 views | trampie |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:35 - May 12 by acejack3065 |
But that's exactly what Leanne tried to do yesterday. Its like talking to a wall. |
If Leanne was voted in by others to be first minister, nobody has said that Plaid would share FM duties with Conservatives or UKIP. [Post edited 12 May 2016 12:54]
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:53 - May 12 with 1152 views | nice_to_michu |
So, the Assembly has seen sense then.
Two UKIP AMs are going to break the dead lock. And before Trampie calls foul, no, Labour are not ceding any policy to UKIP. Neither of the two UKIP AMs are party leaders. Nathan Gill just got removed as leader, and Mark Reckless is just another of their representatives who seems to have overslept on the train from England and woken up in Cardiff. Neither of them would be able to bargain on behalf of their party so it looks as though they just saw sense and got on with it. |  | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:54 - May 12 with 1149 views | acejack3065 |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:53 - May 12 by nice_to_michu |
So, the Assembly has seen sense then.
Two UKIP AMs are going to break the dead lock. And before Trampie calls foul, no, Labour are not ceding any policy to UKIP. Neither of the two UKIP AMs are party leaders. Nathan Gill just got removed as leader, and Mark Reckless is just another of their representatives who seems to have overslept on the train from England and woken up in Cardiff. Neither of them would be able to bargain on behalf of their party so it looks as though they just saw sense and got on with it. |
There might be some spite aimed at Neil Hamilton too. | | | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:56 - May 12 with 1142 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:54 - May 12 by acejack3065 |
There might be some spite aimed at Neil Hamilton too. |
Quite.
UKIP are already split in Cardiff. | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:07 - May 12 with 1124 views | trampie |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:30 - May 12 by CountyJim |
All I know is Labour would not form a coalition with the Tories or UKIP
They would rather go alone than sell out |
Labour formed an alliance with UKIP in Norwich CountyJim.
And apparently UKIP voted with Labour last week on the NHS. | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:07 - May 12 with 1122 views | nice_to_michu |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:54 - May 12 by acejack3065 |
There might be some spite aimed at Neil Hamilton too. |
Exactly.
Getting two backbench UKIP AMs (when both hate their new leader, Neil Hamilton) is a little different than getting the UKIP and Tory leadership and all of their members to form a government with you. | | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:11 - May 12 with 1109 views | nice_to_michu |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:07 - May 12 by trampie |
Labour formed an alliance with UKIP in Norwich CountyJim.
And apparently UKIP voted with Labour last week on the NHS. |
I don't know if you watched the news yesterday Trampie, but Labour went to the vote accepting that they don't have a majority and were clearly ready to rule as a minority government.
So your point is mute here. | | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:20 - May 12 with 1082 views | trampie |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 12:53 - May 12 by nice_to_michu |
So, the Assembly has seen sense then.
Two UKIP AMs are going to break the dead lock. And before Trampie calls foul, no, Labour are not ceding any policy to UKIP. Neither of the two UKIP AMs are party leaders. Nathan Gill just got removed as leader, and Mark Reckless is just another of their representatives who seems to have overslept on the train from England and woken up in Cardiff. Neither of them would be able to bargain on behalf of their party so it looks as though they just saw sense and got on with it. |
So its ok for UKIP to vote with Labour but not ok for UKIP to vote with Plaid is it. 
I heard that UKIP went to Plaid and said 'we voted for Leanne what can you do for us ?' the reply was 'nothing', so they have gone to Labour and said 'we will vote for Carwyn what can you do for us ?' the reply was 'whatever you want'  , no idea if that's true, but there you go.
Apparently UKIP will act as a group [who knows ?] and there is 7 of them so we will see.  | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:25 - May 12 with 1063 views | acejack3065 |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:20 - May 12 by trampie |
So its ok for UKIP to vote with Labour but not ok for UKIP to vote with Plaid is it.
I heard that UKIP went to Plaid and said 'we voted for Leanne what can you do for us ?' the reply was 'nothing', so they have gone to Labour and said 'we will vote for Carwyn what can you do for us ?' the reply was 'whatever you want' , no idea if that's true, but there you go.
Apparently UKIP will act as a group [who knows ?] and there is 7 of them so we will see. |
you're so juvenile its unreal.
"I heard that UKIP went to Plaid and said 'we voted for Leanne what can you do for us ?' the reply was 'nothing', so they have gone to Labour and said 'we will vote for Carwyn what can you do for us ?' the reply was 'whatever you want' , no idea if that's true, but there you go."
At least when Keruac was making sh*t up about the labour party he was trying to make it semi believable.
UKIP voted with plaid in the expectation of getting policy through as part of a coalition goverment. There is 0% chance of that happening with Welsh Labour. | | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:35 - May 12 with 1050 views | trampie |
Loving it large seeing Labour supporters squirming, that will teach them for being disingenuous, Labour should have gone to Plaid in the first place and said what have we got to give you for your support.
I wonder if they will be forced into going to Plaid anyway, in that scenario I've no doubt they would try and spin it that they weren't forced. | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:40 - May 12 with 996 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:20 - May 12 by trampie |
So its ok for UKIP to vote with Labour but not ok for UKIP to vote with Plaid is it.
I heard that UKIP went to Plaid and said 'we voted for Leanne what can you do for us ?' the reply was 'nothing', so they have gone to Labour and said 'we will vote for Carwyn what can you do for us ?' the reply was 'whatever you want' , no idea if that's true, but there you go.
Apparently UKIP will act as a group [who knows ?] and there is 7 of them so we will see. |
No, you're quite wrong in your analysis Trampie.
Leanne Wood went to the leader of UKIP and the Tories and asked for their support (all sides have admitted that). The aim was a Plaid leadership propped up by the Tories and UKIP (and the Lib Dems actually).
Having thankfully had her utterly unprincipled personal ambition thwarted by Kirsty Williams (which was unepxpected by Plaid - again, look at what Kirsty has said for proof) there was an impasse and two UKIP members have decided to break the impasse so that the Welsh Government can function. Plaid were uninterested in whether it could function.
Spin all you want, but Plaid exposed themselves and it hasn't gone unnoticed. They put Wales below their personal ambitions. They put any notion that they are in any way 'socialists' behind their personal ambitions. In fact they have shown the world that they are happy to agree to work with anyone that will allow them some power.
Leanne Wood is a charlatan. A second rate, unprincipled, hugely ambitious charlatan.
She has been caught out by the stance of one Lib Dem who was prepared to act for the good of Wales. If it had gone the way Leanne Wood wanted we would now have a FM propped up by a party that don't agree with the whole concept of Wales and Welsh Government.
In one fell swoop, Leanne Wood is finished as a serious politician. The only possible description of her now would be as a political opportunist.
She is too stupid to realise that she won't be able to spin this one away.
But if the vote in June is for out, at least we won't have to listen to her whine about how 'The People of Wales' voted in and therefore the vote is unfair. Because she's just tried to do a deal with a party whose only reason for existence is to leave Europe because she fancied a bit of power.
Now go away and cosy up to the lovely Hamiltons with your unprincipled 'leader' and the rest of us will laugh while the equally unprincipled Neil Hamilton drops her in it. |  | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:44 - May 12 with 988 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:35 - May 12 by trampie |
Loving it large seeing Labour supporters squirming, that will teach them for being disingenuous, Labour should have gone to Plaid in the first place and said what have we got to give you for your support.
I wonder if they will be forced into going to Plaid anyway, in that scenario I've no doubt they would try and spin it that they weren't forced. |
Yesterday means they don't have to give her the time of day let alone any concessions. She's destroyed Plaid for the foreseeable future. Stupid, stupid woman. | | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:46 - May 12 with 987 views | costalotta |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:40 - May 12 by londonlisa2001 |
No, you're quite wrong in your analysis Trampie.
Leanne Wood went to the leader of UKIP and the Tories and asked for their support (all sides have admitted that). The aim was a Plaid leadership propped up by the Tories and UKIP (and the Lib Dems actually).
Having thankfully had her utterly unprincipled personal ambition thwarted by Kirsty Williams (which was unepxpected by Plaid - again, look at what Kirsty has said for proof) there was an impasse and two UKIP members have decided to break the impasse so that the Welsh Government can function. Plaid were uninterested in whether it could function.
Spin all you want, but Plaid exposed themselves and it hasn't gone unnoticed. They put Wales below their personal ambitions. They put any notion that they are in any way 'socialists' behind their personal ambitions. In fact they have shown the world that they are happy to agree to work with anyone that will allow them some power.
Leanne Wood is a charlatan. A second rate, unprincipled, hugely ambitious charlatan.
She has been caught out by the stance of one Lib Dem who was prepared to act for the good of Wales. If it had gone the way Leanne Wood wanted we would now have a FM propped up by a party that don't agree with the whole concept of Wales and Welsh Government.
In one fell swoop, Leanne Wood is finished as a serious politician. The only possible description of her now would be as a political opportunist.
She is too stupid to realise that she won't be able to spin this one away.
But if the vote in June is for out, at least we won't have to listen to her whine about how 'The People of Wales' voted in and therefore the vote is unfair. Because she's just tried to do a deal with a party whose only reason for existence is to leave Europe because she fancied a bit of power.
Now go away and cosy up to the lovely Hamiltons with your unprincipled 'leader' and the rest of us will laugh while the equally unprincipled Neil Hamilton drops her in it. |
Here here! |  | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:57 - May 12 with 970 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:51 - May 12 by Wingstandwood |
I get a vibe you may very well have used both subtle psychological tactics i.e. neuro-linguistic programming etc, superior intelligence and intuitive foresight to lure some unsuspecting individuals right into a trap?..................They've been bushwhacked!
I bet you had the 'aces' all along?........You devious rascal!.......Please go easy on them, I guess it must be hard when they have to cope with 'common-sense- disorder' i.e. actually think superfluous multi million Pound 'white-elephant' ego-trips should come before desperately required hospital facilities. [Post edited 12 May 2016 13:54]
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Most people realise that the opera house doesn't come from the NHS budget. | | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 14:02 - May 12 with 950 views | CountyJim |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:44 - May 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Yesterday means they don't have to give her the time of day let alone any concessions. She's destroyed Plaid for the foreseeable future. Stupid, stupid woman. |
Yep Spot on Lisa
The fact is UKIP as a whole backed Woods now two loan Ukip am`s are voting for Carwyn jones no pact there | | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 14:04 - May 12 with 946 views | trampie |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:51 - May 12 by Wingstandwood |
I get a vibe you may very well have used both subtle psychological tactics i.e. neuro-linguistic programming etc, superior intelligence and intuitive foresight to lure some unsuspecting individuals right into a trap?..................They've been bushwhacked!
I bet you had the 'aces' all along?........You devious rascal!.......Please go easy on them, I guess it must be hard when they have to cope with 'common-sense- disorder' i.e. actually think superfluous multi million Pound 'white-elephant' ego-trips should come before desperately required hospital facilities. [Post edited 12 May 2016 13:54]
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I cant help a wry smile sometimes Wingstandwood. lol. | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 14:20 - May 12 with 908 views | acejack3065 |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 13:35 - May 12 by trampie |
Loving it large seeing Labour supporters squirming, that will teach them for being disingenuous, Labour should have gone to Plaid in the first place and said what have we got to give you for your support.
I wonder if they will be forced into going to Plaid anyway, in that scenario I've no doubt they would try and spin it that they weren't forced. |
No squirming at all. Just a strong enough grip on reality to be able to fully assess what's fully going on here.
Take note. | | | |
| Ms Wood for First Minister on 14:43 - May 12 with 888 views | vetchonian |
Best thing would be to get rid of this additional tier of government and save us all some money | |
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| Ms Wood for First Minister on 16:30 - May 12 with 823 views | trampie |
Kirsty No Mates currently the difference between Leanne Wood being first minister and Carwyn Jones having time to court UKIP to try and retain that title. | |
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