| We're going to be relegated. 18:32 - Jan 14 with 19979 views | MyFinalHeaven |
I know the window is not yet over, but as it stands, it looks as though the only players we will bring in are Luciano Narsingh, Martin Olsson, and Tom Carroll. This is utterly and unreservedly not good enough, and frankly, I'm surprised as to how more of our supporters aren't outraged. How Mr. Jenkins thinks that this trio of players will be the solution to our problems is utterly mindboggling. But forget about the possibility that they may help us stay up. I'll say it right now: except for maybe Narsingh, none of these acquisitions will even improve our squad. Olsson and Carroll will hardly, if at all be an upgrade over what we currently have.
It's funny. You'd think with a club like us--with what we've gone through so far, with us in mortal danger of being relegated, and with us having made the beyond costly mistake of having invested nothing in the summer while other teams strengthened relentlessly--would finally wake the fvck up and realize that this January window was the last chance to correct all our wrongs. Instead, there is still the same exact idiocy, incompetence, and complete lack of urgency there was in the summer, and we continue to think that sticking to the usual plan of spending bit part money on bit part players will be the answer.
Incredible. Absolutely incredible. It's mind boggling really.
You've all heard how I feel about Olsson in another thread--as I said before, he's a guy who has yet to prove he is anywhere near good enough at this level and incredibly, he's been relegated 3 times in the 4 seasons he's been a starting left back in the Prem. No player in history has a worse record than that.
But the real puzzling one is Carroll.
Our squad has been SCREAMING for a defensive midfielder since Joe Allen left, but quite remarkably, he has still yet to be replaced. Since Joe left we have been without a midfield enforcer--the engine in the squad that does all the dirty work, acts as the link between the defence and the attack, and otherwise dictates play like a fine court composer. Whether it's Chelsea with Kante, Everton with Gana, West Ham with Kouyate, Spurs with Wanyama, Southampton with Romeu, Bournemouth with Arter, or Watford with Capoue, every decent squad has one whether they're in the top 4, sitting comfortably at midtable, or even lower midtable. The time for a physical, tough tackling, ball intercepting DM has never been more apparent than right now, and yet we've turned to Tom Carroll of all people. The most lightweight, easily shoved off the ball, and paper thin player of them all, one who has never ran a midfield and never will.
Okay, so he's not a DM, and he has alarmingly low tackle, interception, block, aerial duels won, and clearance numbers per appearance. But neither can you call him a creative centre midfielder or playmaker as so many of his defenders somehow have, as in this lad's entire career in League One, the Championship, and the Prem he has had just 5 league assists and 1 league goal to his name, while averaging just 0.6 chances created per game. Then what is he, what does he provide to the team, and what does he offer over Fulton, Ki, Cork and Britton?
Sadly, the answer is nothing. The rest of the football world can see that Tom Carroll is not good enough. I don't know why we can't.
But enough about Carroll. Let's get to the matter at hand. Our Premier League dream is over chaps. But you know what? I'm not even that bothered that Swansea City will no longer be in the top flight and that I will no longer be able to watch them play in the Premier League. What I'm really worried about is the people of this city. In 2013 a study determined that our Premier League status was worth £55.3m to our economy and helped to create or protect 340 jobs, with pretty much every industry and business having reported increased activity since our promotion ( http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-20895147). No doubt these figures have risen 4 years on, but as our time in the Premier League comes to a close, the people of Swansea will lose much more than seeing their team in the PL. If there was any shred of decency left in that big nosed cvnt Jenkins, and if he cared an iota about these people, then he should resign immediately. By failing unequivocally to adequately perform his duties as chairman and do what was best for this club in his insatiable pursuit of personal wealth, he has ultimately failed all and everyone of this town as well. And that is what is most devastating. [Post edited 14 Jan 2017 19:27]
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| We're going to be relegated. on 09:50 - Jan 15 with 3897 views | SgorioFruit |
| We're going to be relegated. on 09:38 - Jan 15 by jack247 |
They wouldn't have made any new signings (I know it's only one so far) or sacked Bob if they had accepted relegation.
I do think that's the direction we are headed and they obviously need to be mindful of it when signing players. They need to either accept relegation like Villa did, or have a real good go at it this window. Falling between two stools is likely to end up with us signing players and getting relegated anyway.
As bad as we have been and as much as the squad needs a drastic reshuffle, we are one point plus goal difference away from 17th. They surely can't accept relegation from that position. |
Well how do we get the message to the players that they are only one point plus goal difference away from safety?
Yesterday Naughton wanted them to score.
We can talk about having the fight to survive as much as we want.
We can talk about Bob Bradley and the yank owners as much as we want.
We can talk about Huw and his awful signings as much as we want.
BUT if we have players on the pitch that want the other team to score then I'm afraid we are finished.
Us fans can't change that. And whatever manager we have seems to have no effect on changing that either. |  |
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| We're going to be relegated. on 09:53 - Jan 15 with 3880 views | Jango |
| We're going to be relegated. on 09:38 - Jan 15 by jack247 |
They wouldn't have made any new signings (I know it's only one so far) or sacked Bob if they had accepted relegation.
I do think that's the direction we are headed and they obviously need to be mindful of it when signing players. They need to either accept relegation like Villa did, or have a real good go at it this window. Falling between two stools is likely to end up with us signing players and getting relegated anyway.
As bad as we have been and as much as the squad needs a drastic reshuffle, we are one point plus goal difference away from 17th. They surely can't accept relegation from that position. |
No reason to give up yet. One positive from yesterday is that while we dropped points against arsenal, palace and Sunderland dropped points against teams they need to be getting something from. If we can get some sort of game going in the next week or 2 we can do it. All gonna depend on whether we can bring the right players in. |  | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:02 - Jan 15 with 3845 views | AngelRangelQS |
| We're going to be relegated. on 08:28 - Jan 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
The thing is, we haven't done well in the window.
The three players, will not improve the starting Xi, unless Narsingh comes good, but according to anyone who has seen him play, he's a shocker.
We're done until Jenkins goes, whatever league we're in. |
Clement has said he's seen Narsingh play twice in the last few months and still wanted him.
The two new coaches have very recently worked with Tom Carroll
Olsson should be an improvement on both Taylor and Kingsley.
But forget all that, some people on twitter say they're sh*t - it's convenient for the likes of you because you think we should be making a cheeky bid for Kevin DeBruyne, Chris Smalling or some promising left back playing in the Belgian third division because he's good on FIFA |  | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:03 - Jan 15 with 3843 views | jack247 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 09:50 - Jan 15 by SgorioFruit |
Well how do we get the message to the players that they are only one point plus goal difference away from safety?
Yesterday Naughton wanted them to score.
We can talk about having the fight to survive as much as we want.
We can talk about Bob Bradley and the yank owners as much as we want.
We can talk about Huw and his awful signings as much as we want.
BUT if we have players on the pitch that want the other team to score then I'm afraid we are finished.
Us fans can't change that. And whatever manager we have seems to have no effect on changing that either. |
I don't know Sgorio, maybe they look at the table every now and then.
Your post doesn't make any sense at all. | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:05 - Jan 15 with 3829 views | AngelRangelQS |
| We're going to be relegated. on 09:50 - Jan 15 by Borojack |
Not one of the 3 have kicked a ball for us yet 2 of the 3 haven't even signed yet they are getting slated
We have brought in a new manager a high profile assistant and 2 well thought of coaches from Spurs.
Can't we just give them a fukcing chance. |
No we can't give them a chance because we've been linked to them before and some fans have said that they're sh*t. | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:06 - Jan 15 with 3827 views | jack247 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:02 - Jan 15 by AngelRangelQS |
Clement has said he's seen Narsingh play twice in the last few months and still wanted him.
The two new coaches have very recently worked with Tom Carroll
Olsson should be an improvement on both Taylor and Kingsley.
But forget all that, some people on twitter say they're sh*t - it's convenient for the likes of you because you think we should be making a cheeky bid for Kevin DeBruyne, Chris Smalling or some promising left back playing in the Belgian third division because he's good on FIFA |
They aren't shit, they are an improvement (Carroll and Olsson). The question is whether they are a big enough improvement to make a difference. So far, this window seems a very limp wristed attempt at avoiding relegation.
I don't know a lot about Narsingh, hoping he is a bigger upgrade than the two we have been linked with. [Post edited 15 Jan 2017 10:07]
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| We're going to be relegated. on 10:12 - Jan 15 with 3808 views | AngelRangelQS |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:06 - Jan 15 by jack247 |
They aren't shit, they are an improvement (Carroll and Olsson). The question is whether they are a big enough improvement to make a difference. So far, this window seems a very limp wristed attempt at avoiding relegation.
I don't know a lot about Narsingh, hoping he is a bigger upgrade than the two we have been linked with. [Post edited 15 Jan 2017 10:07]
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Yes they're probably not huge upgrades but I think it was unrealistic to expect that. The fact that they're upgrades though is a positive
Let's wait until Feb 1st and see who Sunderland, Hull, Palace and Boro have managed to attract before we say we haven't signed a decent calibre of player. | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:15 - Jan 15 with 3796 views | raynor94 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:06 - Jan 15 by jack247 |
They aren't shit, they are an improvement (Carroll and Olsson). The question is whether they are a big enough improvement to make a difference. So far, this window seems a very limp wristed attempt at avoiding relegation.
I don't know a lot about Narsingh, hoping he is a bigger upgrade than the two we have been linked with. [Post edited 15 Jan 2017 10:07]
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Limp wrist attempt? the position we are in who do you realistically think is going to come here? and at what cost, I think the three we are about to sign will improve the squad, but alas to late, they should have been here last summer |  |
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| We're going to be relegated. on 10:16 - Jan 15 with 3794 views | Neath_Jack |
Anyone sum the OP up in a few lines?
He's going for the LondonLisa/Icecold approach, and it hurts my eyes. |  |
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| We're going to be relegated. on 10:17 - Jan 15 with 3787 views | AngelRangelQS |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:15 - Jan 15 by raynor94 |
Limp wrist attempt? the position we are in who do you realistically think is going to come here? and at what cost, I think the three we are about to sign will improve the squad, but alas to late, they should have been here last summer |
The summer was an absolute disgrace both in terms of manager and player recruitment. | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:22 - Jan 15 with 3771 views | jack247 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:15 - Jan 15 by raynor94 |
Limp wrist attempt? the position we are in who do you realistically think is going to come here? and at what cost, I think the three we are about to sign will improve the squad, but alas to late, they should have been here last summer |
That's the point. There is no pony making minor improvements now, we either go for it and bring in better players, on loan if players are worried about relegation, or we just accept we are going down and don't spend until the summer.
Would you be happy if we just brought in Narsingh, Carroll and Olsson? | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:25 - Jan 15 with 3759 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:02 - Jan 15 by AngelRangelQS |
Clement has said he's seen Narsingh play twice in the last few months and still wanted him.
The two new coaches have very recently worked with Tom Carroll
Olsson should be an improvement on both Taylor and Kingsley.
But forget all that, some people on twitter say they're sh*t - it's convenient for the likes of you because you think we should be making a cheeky bid for Kevin DeBruyne, Chris Smalling or some promising left back playing in the Belgian third division because he's good on FIFA |
When have I ever said we should be making bids for some random Belgian kid or Kevin De Bruyne, stop talking absolute b0llox to support your argument.
If you think players like Olsson and Carroll improve the squad then fair play to you, hope you're right. I don't, and until they put in the performances to prove me wrong, then I'll stick to my opinion of them being pointless signings.
Narsingh is an unknown for me, but all I'm hearing is negative reviews on him from Dutch fans. |  | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:29 - Jan 15 with 3736 views | AngelRangelQS |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:25 - Jan 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
When have I ever said we should be making bids for some random Belgian kid or Kevin De Bruyne, stop talking absolute b0llox to support your argument.
If you think players like Olsson and Carroll improve the squad then fair play to you, hope you're right. I don't, and until they put in the performances to prove me wrong, then I'll stick to my opinion of them being pointless signings.
Narsingh is an unknown for me, but all I'm hearing is negative reviews on him from Dutch fans. |
So go on then... give me an example of the types of player you'd have expected us to sign this window? | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:38 - Jan 15 with 3718 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:29 - Jan 15 by AngelRangelQS |
So go on then... give me an example of the types of player you'd have expected us to sign this window? |
I was hoping, not expecting, Clement being able to call in some contacts from his time at Chelsea and Bayern to get a few loan players in. I'm not expecting players to be queuing up to sign for us with our current position, but there's players on the fringes at Chelsea and Bayern who surely would improve us more than the likes of Carroll and Olsson. I was hoping Batshuayi would fancy some game time up front etc.
If not, then give the likes of James, Mcburnie a chance. Signings players like the two mentioned above, is in my opinion, spunking 10mill away for the sake of signing players. Don't rate either I'm afraid. As Dwight said, and he's right, replacing average with average. [Post edited 15 Jan 2017 10:39]
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| We're going to be relegated. on 10:41 - Jan 15 with 3703 views | Jango |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:38 - Jan 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
I was hoping, not expecting, Clement being able to call in some contacts from his time at Chelsea and Bayern to get a few loan players in. I'm not expecting players to be queuing up to sign for us with our current position, but there's players on the fringes at Chelsea and Bayern who surely would improve us more than the likes of Carroll and Olsson. I was hoping Batshuayi would fancy some game time up front etc.
If not, then give the likes of James, Mcburnie a chance. Signings players like the two mentioned above, is in my opinion, spunking 10mill away for the sake of signing players. Don't rate either I'm afraid. As Dwight said, and he's right, replacing average with average. [Post edited 15 Jan 2017 10:39]
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So a fringe player at Spurs is not good enough but a fringe player at Chelsea or a fringe player from a different country will be good enough? | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:46 - Jan 15 with 3572 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:41 - Jan 15 by Jango |
So a fringe player at Spurs is not good enough but a fringe player at Chelsea or a fringe player from a different country will be good enough? |
Carroll has been here, and did nothing to show me he would be good enough to get in our starting XI, even with how sh*t we are now. Loftus Cheek is a better player than Carroll. | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:49 - Jan 15 with 3565 views | AngelRangelQS |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:46 - Jan 15 by 34dfgdf54 |
Carroll has been here, and did nothing to show me he would be good enough to get in our starting XI, even with how sh*t we are now. Loftus Cheek is a better player than Carroll. |
The same loftus cheek who came off the bench yesterday?
"I was hoping Batshuayi fancied some game time" - we all did mate. He doesn't | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:50 - Jan 15 with 3560 views | raynor94 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:22 - Jan 15 by jack247 |
That's the point. There is no pony making minor improvements now, we either go for it and bring in better players, on loan if players are worried about relegation, or we just accept we are going down and don't spend until the summer.
Would you be happy if we just brought in Narsingh, Carroll and Olsson? |
I would like to see an experienced centre half on loan as well, and maybe a more mobile striker, it will be interesting to see what Clement can do, there were some green shoots in the first half yesterday | |
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| We're going to be relegated. on 11:07 - Jan 15 with 3546 views | SgorioFruit |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:03 - Jan 15 by jack247 |
I don't know Sgorio, maybe they look at the table every now and then.
Your post doesn't make any sense at all. |
our players walk backwards and ask the team to score
we are finished | |
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| We're going to be relegated. on 12:49 - Jan 15 with 3502 views | LeonWasGod |
| We're going to be relegated. on 10:16 - Jan 15 by Neath_Jack |
Anyone sum the OP up in a few lines?
He's going for the LondonLisa/Icecold approach, and it hurts my eyes. |
Huw's sh*t
Our new signings are sh*t
We should have signed Joey
It will be bad if we go down |  | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 18:41 - Jan 15 with 3413 views | jackofalltrades |
| We're going to be relegated. on 18:48 - Jan 14 by thereisnospoon |
bullshitÌ. going into november we had just played 10 odd games. there was plenty of time left to get things right but those in charge screwed it all up |
Well I gave up before the season started. It was clear during the summer that the lessons of last season were not learned. I said last April that the worst thing that could happen was - having avoided relegation - we would go on a run. Just the excuse our Directir of Football needed to waste yet another transfer window. The failure to sign Joe Allen and replace Guidolin with a long term managerial appointment sealed our fate before a ball was kicked. To be honest I'm not in the least concerned at the prospect of Championship football and for me it's all about building a squad now that can compete at that level. Under Bradley even that seemed unlikely. | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 19:04 - Jan 15 with 3378 views | max936 |
| We're going to be relegated. on 07:51 - Jan 15 by jack247 |
If we signed a commanding, organising centre back and a leader in midfield, then complimented them with Narsingh, Carroll and Olsson, I'd be more than happy.
I've got a feeling that's not going to happen though. |
You're spot, but like you say its not going to happen, I think we're done in both the Transfer market and Premier league, the ride is over. |  |
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| We're going to be relegated. on 19:23 - Jan 15 with 3333 views | owainglyndwr |
The problem is that I cannot see us ever getting back.
From starting to becomie a established premiership team to promoted clubs becoming better in the transfer market and within thier clubs. |  | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 19:24 - Jan 15 with 3339 views | spiderboy |
Not this season,and not the one after either,have faith my fellow brother fans.
Clems going to pull a few rabbits out of his hat,the way he cut to the chase in his post match dressing down was heartening.He knows whats needed and I,m pretty sure hes going to get this team playing to the standard they are capable of.
There were signs yesterday that his ideas are starting to make an impression.We looked good in the first half against a well organised arsenal side,who are,by the way,chasing the prem title and still in the champions league.
The new signings can only improve the side,not by much,admittedly,but then again as earlier posts quite rightly pointed out,we need only a few points more to outdo our near rivals to escape the drop.Be happy. | | | |
| We're going to be relegated. on 19:33 - Jan 15 with 3319 views | lifelong |
Bloody depressing reading this thread, some of you need to take a walk out in the evening air, Venus is very bright this evening. |  | | |
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