| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... 21:55 - Aug 29 with 1886 views | KeithHaynes |
Should have signed the contract the club offered him, would have made him the top earner at Swansea. Holding out for even more as far as I am concerned.
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:01 - Aug 29 with 1854 views | Dr_Winston |
It's more of a concern that the club think he's worth making the highest paid player.
If he was as good as he thinks he is someone would have signed him by now. Much like Cooper, he's finding that his actual standing within the game is far lower than he might have previously believed. |  |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:03 - Aug 29 with 1846 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Like Cooper he is making eyes at other clubs while in a leadership position. His agent wants Swansea to drop their fee requirements to allow Fulham to pay him more money in wages. That is the way I see it.
Swansea presumably want around £4-5m. I expect some compromise will be worked out. Grimes has probably played his last game for Swansea. |  |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:06 - Aug 29 with 1830 views | Fireboy2 |
Hes got a cheek asking for more money after yesterday's performance. |  | | |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:10 - Aug 29 with 1814 views | KeithHaynes |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:06 - Aug 29 by Fireboy2 |
Hes got a cheek asking for more money after yesterday's performance. |
For me this is when a captain, a true leader grasps everyone by the neck and sorts it out on the pitch. Preston had us tied up after fifteen minutes, we couldn’t move. He disappeared completely.
That’s not a captain or a leader. More like a player looking not to get injured.
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:15 - Aug 29 with 1788 views | jack_lord |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:10 - Aug 29 by KeithHaynes |
For me this is when a captain, a true leader grasps everyone by the neck and sorts it out on the pitch. Preston had us tied up after fifteen minutes, we couldn’t move. He disappeared completely.
That’s not a captain or a leader. More like a player looking not to get injured.
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Couldn't agree more Keith. There is definitely a player in there but he is about as much of a captain as pugwash was |  |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:19 - Aug 29 with 1768 views | Dr_Winston |
Sometimes I wonder if I'm being unduly harsh on Grimes.
Like any football supporter I don't know everything, but when it comes to assessing a players ability I like to think that my success rate is as good as any and better than most. There's not many players that I've praised or criticised over the years who has ended up coming out any differently but Grimes is a bit of an anomaly. He's held in massively high regard by some when to me he's never been anything more than average at best.
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:21 - Aug 29 with 1765 views | max936 |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:15 - Aug 29 by jack_lord |
Couldn't agree more Keith. There is definitely a player in there but he is about as much of a captain as pugwash was |
Never ever been Captain material and should never have been given the armband IMO, maybe he offers something behind the scenes, but he certainly doesn't on the field. |  |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:36 - Aug 29 with 1718 views | BillyChong |
Ayew carried him in the captaincy duties. Now we’ve got no one on the pitch to sort the team out when needed. |  | | |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:01 - Aug 29 with 1684 views | DJack |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:19 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
Sometimes I wonder if I'm being unduly harsh on Grimes.
Like any football supporter I don't know everything, but when it comes to assessing a players ability I like to think that my success rate is as good as any and better than most. There's not many players that I've praised or criticised over the years who has ended up coming out any differently but Grimes is a bit of an anomaly. He's held in massively high regard by some when to me he's never been anything more than average at best.
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Itchy has touched on it - he's the type of player who will perform better when surrounded by better players. Ok, you could argue this is true for many players but he has shown flashes of this ability many times but it is often drowned out by the safety first, pass backwards play that was drummed into him.
Additionally I agree that he is taking the piss. He has not shown the consistent ability that warrants him taking the highest wage at the club - if he had your post would have been different.
I also suspect that when up to speed Downes will surpass what Grimes has shown to date. If he (Grimes) believes that he is worth it he should have demonstrated it on the pitch - he has not and I'm a "fan" of him. |  |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:09 - Aug 29 with 1677 views | ploppy |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:19 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
Sometimes I wonder if I'm being unduly harsh on Grimes.
Like any football supporter I don't know everything, but when it comes to assessing a players ability I like to think that my success rate is as good as any and better than most. There's not many players that I've praised or criticised over the years who has ended up coming out any differently but Grimes is a bit of an anomaly. He's held in massively high regard by some when to me he's never been anything more than average at best.
What am I missing? Is there anything? |
I don't think you're missing anything - but then, I don't rate him either. I think it's lazy punditry, lazy journalism, etc. I can understand his managers bigging him up, because they can't be seen to do otherwise. It's a bit like the Cooper situation last year. He was getting plaudits from everywhere, except from the rest of us who watched every minute of every game. Similarly with commentators (at least up until this season), who would continually refer to us as a passing team who loved to control the game by having possession - when in fact we hadn't been like that for years. Grimes is no captain. Defensively, he's OK. A playmaker he is not. He's slow in thought and action. And increasingly he's getting caught in possession because he doesn't have the skillset (or the feet) to move the ball on quickly. | | | |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:19 - Aug 29 with 1658 views | WalterBoyd |
I know he is young, and need time to develop but I would love to see Dan Wiiliams have an opportunity to grow and succeed in that Grimes role. | | | |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:21 - Aug 29 with 1658 views | jackrabbit |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:19 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
Sometimes I wonder if I'm being unduly harsh on Grimes.
Like any football supporter I don't know everything, but when it comes to assessing a players ability I like to think that my success rate is as good as any and better than most. There's not many players that I've praised or criticised over the years who has ended up coming out any differently but Grimes is a bit of an anomaly. He's held in massively high regard by some when to me he's never been anything more than average at best.
What am I missing? Is there anything? |
You’re not missing anything. ‘Average’ is reserved for his good games. He puts his foot in and does some good things defensively. But he’s a very underwhelming midfield player offering very little in attack most of the time. |  | | |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:23 - Aug 29 with 1651 views | KeithHaynes |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:19 - Aug 29 by WalterBoyd |
I know he is young, and need time to develop but I would love to see Dan Wiiliams have an opportunity to grow and succeed in that Grimes role. |
He’s a far better player than Grimes, even now. | |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:29 - Aug 29 with 1637 views | DJack |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:23 - Aug 29 by KeithHaynes |
He’s a far better player than Grimes, even now. |
Not wishing to get certain posters riled up but would he have been the same under the previous management? (Honest question.) | |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 13:46 - Aug 30 with 1253 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:19 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
Sometimes I wonder if I'm being unduly harsh on Grimes.
Like any football supporter I don't know everything, but when it comes to assessing a players ability I like to think that my success rate is as good as any and better than most. There's not many players that I've praised or criticised over the years who has ended up coming out any differently but Grimes is a bit of an anomaly. He's held in massively high regard by some when to me he's never been anything more than average at best.
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Being one footed is his problem, he can’t adjust his feet properly under an aggressive press and too easily gets caught in possession. Can’t take a corner or a free kick - it’s just because he’s English and good English players are always overhyped. We should have sold him far sooner. |  |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 13:51 - Aug 30 with 1247 views | max936 |
We will have accepted 3mill by tea time tomorrow, either that or the fee will be undisclosed. [Post edited 30 Aug 2021 13:52]
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 13:55 - Aug 30 with 1233 views | jasper_T |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 13:51 - Aug 30 by max936 |
We will have accepted 3mill by tea time tomorrow, either that or the fee will be undisclosed. [Post edited 30 Aug 2021 13:52]
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The fee will be undisclosed either way. It's how things are done outside big marquee signings in the top leagues. | | | |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 15:02 - Aug 30 with 1143 views | krunchykarrot |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 22:36 - Aug 29 by BillyChong |
Ayew carried him in the captaincy duties. Now we’ve got no one on the pitch to sort the team out when needed. |
Seriously? |  | | |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 15:05 - Aug 30 with 1137 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:21 - Aug 29 by jackrabbit |
You’re not missing anything. ‘Average’ is reserved for his good games. He puts his foot in and does some good things defensively. But he’s a very underwhelming midfield player offering very little in attack most of the time. |
I agree with this.
I dont think we should have spent £1.7m on Grimes when we did.
Below first team level its just a guess, a hunch, a gamble ….
No - below first team level we work with the likes of Dan W, Ben x2, Connor, Jazz, Joey x2.
Our talent.
We should only spend money on the first team, other than that its developing our own.
Think Kenji, and think Zabret (now at Aberyswyth), all brought in below first team level and stayed for many years. Only to be deemed not good enough. We simply cant afford that model.
Buy people who improve the first team, thats it.
And if after all these good years, and the captaincy, that Grimes is not appreciative of the investment Swans have made in him then i would be more than disappointed.
I hope Keith is wrong. |  |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 16:12 - Aug 30 with 1089 views | Catullus |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 23:09 - Aug 29 by ploppy |
I don't think you're missing anything - but then, I don't rate him either. I think it's lazy punditry, lazy journalism, etc. I can understand his managers bigging him up, because they can't be seen to do otherwise. It's a bit like the Cooper situation last year. He was getting plaudits from everywhere, except from the rest of us who watched every minute of every game. Similarly with commentators (at least up until this season), who would continually refer to us as a passing team who loved to control the game by having possession - when in fact we hadn't been like that for years. Grimes is no captain. Defensively, he's OK. A playmaker he is not. He's slow in thought and action. And increasingly he's getting caught in possession because he doesn't have the skillset (or the feet) to move the ball on quickly. |
I've said before he's not instinctive, he thinks too much. Some players will see a pass and try to make it, Grimes thinks first and the opportunity is gone so then he takes the safe option. It makes his passing stats look great for completed passes but the reality is it often stops our attacking momentum and sees us go backwards.
Grimes is great in that role if you're 2 nil up but a hindrance when your losing. If Fulham will pay near 4 million for him I'd be very happy. Downes shows much more forward drive and I'm hoping Walsh can get and stay fit and give us another attacking edge. | |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 16:19 - Aug 30 with 1082 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 16:12 - Aug 30 by Catullus |
I've said before he's not instinctive, he thinks too much. Some players will see a pass and try to make it, Grimes thinks first and the opportunity is gone so then he takes the safe option. It makes his passing stats look great for completed passes but the reality is it often stops our attacking momentum and sees us go backwards.
Grimes is great in that role if you're 2 nil up but a hindrance when your losing. If Fulham will pay near 4 million for him I'd be very happy. Downes shows much more forward drive and I'm hoping Walsh can get and stay fit and give us another attacking edge. |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 16:58 - Aug 30 with 1023 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 16:12 - Aug 30 by Catullus |
I've said before he's not instinctive, he thinks too much. Some players will see a pass and try to make it, Grimes thinks first and the opportunity is gone so then he takes the safe option. It makes his passing stats look great for completed passes but the reality is it often stops our attacking momentum and sees us go backwards.
Grimes is great in that role if you're 2 nil up but a hindrance when your losing. If Fulham will pay near 4 million for him I'd be very happy. Downes shows much more forward drive and I'm hoping Walsh can get and stay fit and give us another attacking edge. |
That’s the key to our new style, moving the ball quickly . Grimes just hasn’t got the tools in his box. To be honest I’d be prepared to let him go for two and a half mil | |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 17:30 - Aug 30 with 983 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 15:05 - Aug 30 by Kilkennyjack |
I agree with this.
I dont think we should have spent £1.7m on Grimes when we did.
Below first team level its just a guess, a hunch, a gamble ….
No - below first team level we work with the likes of Dan W, Ben x2, Connor, Jazz, Joey x2.
Our talent.
We should only spend money on the first team, other than that its developing our own.
Think Kenji, and think Zabret (now at Aberyswyth), all brought in below first team level and stayed for many years. Only to be deemed not good enough. We simply cant afford that model.
Buy people who improve the first team, thats it.
And if after all these good years, and the captaincy, that Grimes is not appreciative of the investment Swans have made in him then i would be more than disappointed.
I hope Keith is wrong. |
OMcB and Dan James follow that model and were sold for a whopping £33m. Byers did good service fr a while. Keniji was very decent and may have featured in the championship. You will notice players who do a few years in the academy slot into the first team seemlessly like Dan Williams recently.
Garrick and Benda are new kids on the block grafting away to turn themselves into worthwhile assets for the cub. Not locals. | |
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| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 09:01 - Aug 31 with 798 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Personal view : Grimes is taking the ... on 17:30 - Aug 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
OMcB and Dan James follow that model and were sold for a whopping £33m. Byers did good service fr a while. Keniji was very decent and may have featured in the championship. You will notice players who do a few years in the academy slot into the first team seemlessly like Dan Williams recently.
Garrick and Benda are new kids on the block grafting away to turn themselves into worthwhile assets for the cub. Not locals. |
Let me be clear, i would not sign anyone for money that does not immediately improve our first team.
We lost more than £100m per season by being relegated from the Prem.
Our Academy went missing in action throughout.
Ben at the start, Roberts at the end - other than that it just used up money that could have helped the first team.
We paid £1.7m for Grimes, we flew Zabret in from god knows where.
Beloved Kenji was not good enough, all the Scottish signings not good enough.
Benda is not good enough.
Do you see tbe pattern..?
We are guessing.
Its the cheaper local model that claims Roberts, Rodon, Williams, Cabango.
Not the dream land model you are defending. Sit down.
Your model is like betting on a number in the casino - it rarely works.
But Oli, but Dan - well Oli has had more arrests than Prem goals in the last 12 months, we robbed Sheff Utd. How much is he worth today i wonder ?
The only real exception to the rule is Dan James. However the cost of the misfits dwarfs the £15m we got for Dan.
And that ignores the failure of our Academy to help us stay in the Prem in any way whatsoever.
We paid £1.5 for Mo Barrow under Monk !!
And that Rory Donnelly, whatever happened to … never mind, eh ? [Post edited 31 Aug 2021 9:34]
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