| Budget hitting the young ? 18:57 - Jul 8 with 12490 views | trampie |
Grants for students from the poorest families gone replaced with loan's.
No housing benefit for under 21's.
Living wage for people only over 25.
So if you are a young person from a poor family and can't afford to go to university because the grants have gone and you don't want a loan and you decide to try and get a job and get one, you are likely to receive a smaller wage than somebody over 25 for doing exactly the same job, since your pay is likely to be low you might then struggle to pay your rent and you wont be able to get housing benefit until you are 21.
Seems very unfair on young people, the Tories will always look to make the rich richer [inheritance tax raised to a million pound], people on benefits were always going to be hit, but i'm surprised how hard they have hit the young.
The Tories are set fair for the next decade but after that the oldies that have done well will die out and will be replaced by the youngsters who perhaps wont have done so well [less pay relatively, greater hours, worse pensions, working to a greater age etc as well as a poorer health service and welfare system] and they might punish the Tories down the line. |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:03 - Jul 8 with 5674 views | PozuelosSideys |
Alternatively, businesses looking to control costs will now intentionally set out to hire under 25's as they will be cheaper to employ. This will provide real life working experience and give them preference over those who have been in the employment market for a long time, something which is clearly required given the high-ish unemployment rates for those leaving education (or below)
Loans instead of grants. Maybe that will ensure people learn to understand the value of money and 'things' instead of believing youre entitled to free cash handouts for life - much like the socialists who enjoy dining out at the taxpayers expense.
No housing benefit for under 21's? Mixed on that one. Think if an indvidual can provide evidence of genuine hardship, then it should be looked at. Otherwise you should be either in employment or with your family. [Post edited 8 Jul 2015 19:04]
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:21 - Jul 8 with 5644 views | trampie |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:03 - Jul 8 by PozuelosSideys |
Alternatively, businesses looking to control costs will now intentionally set out to hire under 25's as they will be cheaper to employ. This will provide real life working experience and give them preference over those who have been in the employment market for a long time, something which is clearly required given the high-ish unemployment rates for those leaving education (or below)
Loans instead of grants. Maybe that will ensure people learn to understand the value of money and 'things' instead of believing youre entitled to free cash handouts for life - much like the socialists who enjoy dining out at the taxpayers expense.
No housing benefit for under 21's? Mixed on that one. Think if an indvidual can provide evidence of genuine hardship, then it should be looked at. Otherwise you should be either in employment or with your family. [Post edited 8 Jul 2015 19:04]
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Intentionally using under 25's is it, well they could intentionally use under 25's as cheap labour and get rid/not take on over 25's who are more likely to have a mortgage and children, could put more into debt and poverty.
If education has to be paid for it becomes the preserve of the rich, poor people will miss out.
There will be no looking at it with the Tories, some youngsters have no family they might have lost their parents young, they might come out of the care system have no job, no family then what ?, homeless living on the street ? [Post edited 8 Jul 2015 19:24]
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:24 - Jul 8 with 5627 views | Banosswan |
How does raising the inheritance tax threshold make the rich richer? |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:32 - Jul 8 with 5609 views | trampie |
The budget reminded me of Kinnocks I warn you speech, well the I warn you not to be young and I warn you not to fall ill parts anyway. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:06 - Jul 8 with 5573 views | yescomeon |
I do feel sorry for kids leaving school and wanting to go to university. When I went I paid £1250 or something like that for four years of undergraduate. Even then when I was in school I didn't think I could afford it but was convinced by my then Physics teacher. If I was leaving school now I would probably give university a miss with the cost of it. |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:20 - Jul 8 with 5553 views | sherpajacob |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:24 - Jul 8 by Banosswan |
How does raising the inheritance tax threshold make the rich richer? |
Currently if tarquin tory boy inherits £1million from daddy the state get £140,000 in iht to pay for a couple of nurses and teachers. Tarquin still gets £860,000 which would be enough for most people.
by increasing the threshold to £1 million Tarquin gets to keep the lot. So tarquin who would already have been rich is now even richer. |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:05 - Jul 8 with 5492 views | perchrockjack |
if trampie s against it im for it.
less for the feckless, will do for me.
I mjust sorry he hasn't stopped any child support for single girls under 21..
Its about time kids realised what lies between their legs affects their lives forever.
Who would leanne give the money to.
Who decides who s wealthy
I got a few bin but I m a pauper in comparison to some and I SAY GOOD LUCK TO THEM.
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 22:06 - Jul 8 with 5439 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:05 - Jul 8 by perchrockjack |
if trampie s against it im for it.
less for the feckless, will do for me.
I mjust sorry he hasn't stopped any child support for single girls under 21..
Its about time kids realised what lies between their legs affects their lives forever.
Who would leanne give the money to.
Who decides who s wealthy
I got a few bin but I m a pauper in comparison to some and I SAY GOOD LUCK TO THEM.
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Yes thats a great idea, lets target young women and stop child benefit if they are single. If you really think thats a priority for the British State then you need some education on how to be a thinking human being. You might then come to the same conclusion as many who want to save lots of money by stopping illegal wars, scrapping trident, ending the house of lords, stop paying money to the monarchy, and taxing the bankers until their pips squeek. The bbc should reform or feck off.
We could then invest in useful things like conventional armed forces, and public services like health and education. And properly fund wales in line with scotland. |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 22:21 - Jul 8 with 5429 views | Banosswan |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:20 - Jul 8 by sherpajacob |
Currently if tarquin tory boy inherits £1million from daddy the state get £140,000 in iht to pay for a couple of nurses and teachers. Tarquin still gets £860,000 which would be enough for most people.
by increasing the threshold to £1 million Tarquin gets to keep the lot. So tarquin who would already have been rich is now even richer. |
Or, as it's related to property inheritance, maybe its to remove the liability from Geoff, the hard working bricky who is only now liable due to inflated house prices. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 22:25 - Jul 8 with 5417 views | Banosswan |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:20 - Jul 8 by sherpajacob |
Currently if tarquin tory boy inherits £1million from daddy the state get £140,000 in iht to pay for a couple of nurses and teachers. Tarquin still gets £860,000 which would be enough for most people.
by increasing the threshold to £1 million Tarquin gets to keep the lot. So tarquin who would already have been rich is now even richer. |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 22:34 - Jul 8 with 5386 views | LeonisGod |
Presumably as young adults these days can't afford their own pad, they are still living at home anyway. So they don't need housing benefit.
(that's probably how the 'logic' goes).
I'm all for inheritance tax moving up though. We earn it (taxed), buy a house (taxed), do it up (taxed), maintain it (taxed), move into a retirement home (taxed) die and have to be cremated/buried (taxed). The least the buggers can do is let us pass on the spoils of our efforts to our kids. (The richest will still have to pay inheritance tax though). |  | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 23:33 - Jul 8 with 5333 views | jackb |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 22:21 - Jul 8 by Banosswan |
Or, as it's related to property inheritance, maybe its to remove the liability from Geoff, the hard working bricky who is only now liable due to inflated house prices. |
not really a liability is it as it is an inheritance task so would still get 860k he didn't have before his last parent kicked the bucket |  | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 23:47 - Jul 8 with 5319 views | ScoobyWho |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:32 - Jul 8 by trampie |
The budget reminded me of Kinnocks I warn you speech, well the I warn you not to be young and I warn you not to fall ill parts anyway. |
By 2020 you will be able to afford a decent fish and chips on an hourly wage, I can't wait to see how it all works out, |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 23:47 - Jul 8 with 5319 views | Dyfnant |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 23:33 - Jul 8 by jackb |
not really a liability is it as it is an inheritance task so would still get 860k he didn't have before his last parent kicked the bucket |
Unless they intended to live in the family home. How would you like a 15% tax bill if left a parental house! [Post edited 8 Jul 2015 23:50]
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 00:05 - Jul 9 with 5299 views | macthejack |
They haven't removed the grants they've just changed it so that you now have to pay that sum back.
Student loans basically work like so: There is the student loan which is available to EVERY young person who is eligible, no matter how poor you are, anyone who wants to go to university in this country is able to, money is not a barrier. That loan covers your tuition fees and anywhere from roughly £3000 up to £6000 (more for london) per year for living costs, the amount you get depends on your household income but you are entitled to the minimum no matter what. Then the poorer students get a grant on top of that. It's now just the case that that grant will have to be paid back at some point instead of just being free money.
It basically just adds to the student debt which considering it's already going to be just under 40 grand if you do a 3 year course and get the minimum loan isn't too much of a big deal. You don't pay anything back until you're earning over 20 grand a year and anything you owe after 30 years of graduating is cancelled. Also you pay a tiny percentage of your salary. I think in the long run, say 50 years, this will end up costing the government MORE than the previous system as students won't be able to pay all their loan off, especially after interest, and it ends up with the government having to pick up the bill. |  | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 05:56 - Jul 9 with 5220 views | phact0rri |
Uggh... I knew that there was going to be a lot of bitter pills coming onto this-- after the BBC thing I expected it was going to be pretty rough. But I will say I didn't expect it to be this.
The losing of Grants, to loans is the worst news I've heard in a while. And I can just hope that the tution scheme doesn't turn into the nightmare we have in the US. Yes we do have a few grants here, but the sums are so small that no one really can afford proper education on them, especially prices being what they are.
The no housing benefit I can see that to be honest, they figure for the most part at 21 are not heavily impactful on the housing market I'd think. And with what I've been hearing about the housing situation in Wales (where the open lots dwindling) it could be a blessing in disguise, for the country.
The living wage though, thats the worst of it. Its like turning young men and women trying to get their lives started into second class citizens. [Post edited 9 Jul 2015 6:00]
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 07:46 - Jul 9 with 5178 views | Dr_Winston |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 22:34 - Jul 8 by LeonisGod |
Presumably as young adults these days can't afford their own pad, they are still living at home anyway. So they don't need housing benefit.
(that's probably how the 'logic' goes).
I'm all for inheritance tax moving up though. We earn it (taxed), buy a house (taxed), do it up (taxed), maintain it (taxed), move into a retirement home (taxed) die and have to be cremated/buried (taxed). The least the buggers can do is let us pass on the spoils of our efforts to our kids. (The richest will still have to pay inheritance tax though). |
Exactly.
Taxing death is repellent. Hopefully this is the first step towards abolishing it altogether.
I'd have liked to see them get a bit more creative with regards to student funding though. Grants should still be available for those studying sciences, engineering or other needed subjects. Grants should also be available for those wishing to enter health related professions, with the expectation that a significant period of service within the NHS is required upon graduation.
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 09:02 - Jul 9 with 5125 views | jackforever |
The lesson to all young people? Vote in elections. The young have become victims of their apathy in elections. Lets be honest they have been smashed over the past 15 years whilst pensioners carry on without being touched. What we have done to our young people is a disgrace whether its massive debt, being priced out of education and housing, environmental issues, and high unemployment, Amongst many others. Poor sods will have to work until their 80 as well. | | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 09:07 - Jul 9 with 5123 views | yescomeon |
It's the poorer students that get hit as the parents of richer students pay for their fees, living costs or both. My debt from uni is over £30k and I paid a tiny fraction of what students pay today (although I do have 2 masters degrees). A student doing what I did now would have around £70-80k of debt, most will never pay that off, so why not make uni free. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 09:28 - Jul 9 with 5094 views | perchrockjack |
Inheritance and what a deceased leaves behind should have fook all to do with any government.
ITS BASIC ROBBERY, and you don't have to be rich.
I d like to see more allowance given to those who have to sell their homes to pay for care just because they ve been thrifty ,self reliant and saved a few bob as opposed to idle chunts who ve sponged all their lives , leave nowt, pay nowt.
By the looks of it the way young people chuck money away- especially in university days, they don't seem too bothered about the debt.
And lastly, trampie, please inform me as to who is or what makes anyone rich. More money than you or your chums? Or is it pure jealousy. Plenty of evidence that "working class" people- when they make it big- do nothing but forget and ignore the poor on whom they wouldn't pisss . | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 09:45 - Jul 9 with 5078 views | raynor94 |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 09:02 - Jul 9 by jackforever |
The lesson to all young people? Vote in elections. The young have become victims of their apathy in elections. Lets be honest they have been smashed over the past 15 years whilst pensioners carry on without being touched. What we have done to our young people is a disgrace whether its massive debt, being priced out of education and housing, environmental issues, and high unemployment, Amongst many others. Poor sods will have to work until their 80 as well. |
What, pensioners who have worked all their lives brought their children up and saved for a well earned retirement, what do you suggest they have done to them? |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 09:51 - Jul 9 with 5070 views | Senhin |
I don't see what's so wrong with the changing of grants to loans. I had the loans, and the repayments really aren't ever all that much. It's not like we are America or anything, the cost of 3 years in Uni really isn't all that much. |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:10 - Jul 9 with 5050 views | yescomeon |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 09:51 - Jul 9 by Senhin |
I don't see what's so wrong with the changing of grants to loans. I had the loans, and the repayments really aren't ever all that much. It's not like we are America or anything, the cost of 3 years in Uni really isn't all that much. |
Yeah you barely notice the repayments I agree but it is cheaper to study in the USA now than it is in the UK (only taking into account tuition). Also you can study in European countries in better universities for a tiny fraction of the cost of a UK university. If it were my time again I would certainly be thinking of studying abroad, although not sure if they do student loans for it. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:12 - Jul 9 with 5045 views | perchrockjack |
Typical of our appalling attitude to pensioners and old people. These feckers have often paid for their pitiful state pension many times over but hey let's give it to those who often have no idea .
Looking around, it's hard to see the street shite being called up ,as my dad was and millions of others, and having to fight an enemy and live off the land.
Old people are respected by most European countries except ours.
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:35 - Jul 9 with 5023 views | lifelong |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:05 - Jul 8 by perchrockjack |
if trampie s against it im for it.
less for the feckless, will do for me.
I mjust sorry he hasn't stopped any child support for single girls under 21..
Its about time kids realised what lies between their legs affects their lives forever.
Who would leanne give the money to.
Who decides who s wealthy
I got a few bin but I m a pauper in comparison to some and I SAY GOOD LUCK TO THEM.
Envy politics kill nations |
Christ Perchy, are you growing a black moustache?
What should we do with young men who get these young women pregnant, cut their balls off perhaps? |  | | |
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