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The Establishment have wheeled out Blair and Brown in a desperate bid to derail him, even the Guardian is packing its pages with writers warning of the dangers of electing him. You know The Powerful are concerned. Good. If he wins I pledge to vote for the first time in my life.
I think it's fairly clear they wouldn't win a general election with him in charge, for the reason Derby says - people say they fcked up the economy before and don't trust them with it as it is even before some of his nutty plans for it.
But the reaction in the media is really amazing. It's not like there's some sparkling other candidate is there? Prime Minister Yvette Cooper? FFS.
That is probably the case at the moment but after another five years of Cameron and Osborne I think things may be a bit different and people's views may have changed. It's actually refreshing to have a proper Socialist in with a chance of leading Labour which is supposed to be a party with Socialist ideals, not simply a less extreme version of the Tories. At least then there would be a proper alternative to vote for, whatever your own political views. And as you say, can you really imagine any of the others as Prime Minister?
I think it's fairly clear they wouldn't win a general election with him in charge, for the reason Derby says - people say they fcked up the economy before and don't trust them with it as it is even before some of his nutty plans for it.
But the reaction in the media is really amazing. It's not like there's some sparkling other candidate is there? Prime Minister Yvette Cooper? FFS.
Which nutty plans for the economy though? Genuine question. As far as I can work out I'm pretty sure that issue by issue he's far more in line with the public than the other candidates and parties.
There's some discussion on economic policy here from 11.30. The most interesting part for me is at the end; how would a socially democratic regime survive in the current climate. I think what he's proposing is sound, but it needs a global shift really and he knows it - but he could do with a more convincing answer really.
I think it's fairly clear they wouldn't win a general election with him in charge, for the reason Derby says - people say they fcked up the economy before and don't trust them with it as it is even before some of his nutty plans for it.
But the reaction in the media is really amazing. It's not like there's some sparkling other candidate is there? Prime Minister Yvette Cooper? FFS.
Why not? She's a far better candidate than our last few prime ministers as far as I'm concerned.
Those supporting Jeremy Corbyn have their heads in the sand. The only way the current electorate will be persuaded to vote for a socially progressive party is if that party occupies the middle ground. Blair knew this, occupied it, and then invaded Iraq...
I really hope the members see sense and go for Cooper. She's got my vote.
Why not? She's a far better candidate than our last few prime ministers as far as I'm concerned.
Those supporting Jeremy Corbyn have their heads in the sand. The only way the current electorate will be persuaded to vote for a socially progressive party is if that party occupies the middle ground. Blair knew this, occupied it, and then invaded Iraq...
I really hope the members see sense and go for Cooper. She's got my vote.
"Occupies the middle ground"
But he does. The top rate of income tax he's talking about is lower than it was under Thatcher [Clive Anderson klaxon]; the increase in corporation tax he's talking about would mean it's still below that in US. He's really not very radical; it's just that he looks very different to the Blairite careerists, who let's be honest are now totally at sea.
Comrade Corbyn cannot and never will be Prime Minister, this is Labours Ian Duncan Smith election someone that pleases the party and the party activists, but is unlikely to break 30 % in the polls (labour are already down 5 puts since Corbyn became the obvious front runner). He will be crucified in the media and crucified by the city in the run up to the GE.
The alternatives leaders are also dreadful. Burnham is quite likeable but the country is never going to vote a scouser in as PM and he always looks on TV that he is wearing too much make up. Cooper will never get away from the Balls association and Kendall is a non entity with highly questionable judgement. The Labour party is in a really bad place much of it stemming from the Tories being allowed to push the narrative that Labour destroyed the economy (not true, never was, ask an economist, look at the historical figures of debt deficit etc over the last 50 years etc) around the time of Miliband's election.
The irony IMHO is The election of Corbyn whilst appealing to the heart of the left, will end up leading to the destruction of the NHS, Trade Unions, Employment rights and conditions, because Osborne or Boris will get free reign and both are serious right wing nutters that will make Thatcher and Cameron seem like Brownites
Wasn't there someone else in history of whom it was said "well at least the trains ran on time"?
Seems to be a lot of 'If you agree with Corbyn you are an idiot' style quotes here, which I find idiotic. This is one site where politics shouldn't be discussed IMO. Please can we leave it as 'agree to disagree' before we start getting anti-Immigrant and Muslim b0ll0cks again. Taking my boy to Hibs v Morton today but excited about the Cardiff game, feel we should win this (bloody hope we do).
look, i don't claim to be a political expert, but there are some fundamental questions being asked of the labour party, now that jc is the clear front runner. the party was originally set up to to right injustices of workers, and provide them with a political mouthpiece. for years this was the basis of the parties ideology. but the world changed, and people's aspirations and needs changed too, especially after ww2. the party was in the political wilderness against thatcher, then major and the likes of smith, blair, brown and many others felt that if they were to become a credible alternative and leaders, then the party had to change. and that's what new labour did; it swung to the right to occupy a central ground unheard of previously. and it got them (blair) into power 3 consecutive times. but it alienated many of the core members. now, corny wants to take the party back to those core ideas, which will move the party way back to the left. it will please core supporters, but alienate the new labour that has been the party for the past 20 years. so maybe two labour parties will emerge? or it will have a more original ideology but be out of touch with the world today and leave the party in the wilderness as opposition with no chance of governing. or, it could be what the country needs. milliband was far from credible or governable, but a move away from what has been for some time might reinvent the party, or simply leave it with no chance of being elected. the battle of leadership appears to be between old and new labour, with some candidates scaremongering in the hope they will benefit. i think that there are more fundamental questions that need to be asked, like what does the labour party mean in 2015, and where should it be heading for the next 5 - 10 years. these kind of conversations shown on radio and television simply highlight the differences that exist within the party at the moment. i don't know what the answer is, but if 55% of polled people support jc, then that is the answer that people need to either accept or start a new party. but if labour does swing massively back to the left, there will leave plenty of middle new labour ground for others to fight from. government needs credible opposition, and i just hope that whatever the outcome is, credible, harmonious opposition emerges
It's not what you've got; it's where you stick it.
Maybe the country could do with some radical left(ish) wing ideas, such as a land tax, citizens income, sort out corporations actually paying tax and remove all their state imposed benefits. It might work if they didn't increase the size of the state too much.
But no Corbyn is just recycling the same clapped out ideas that were proven failures in the 70s. Nationalisation of everything (hey let's bring back British Leyland since that was a roaring success) and he even wants to reopen the coal mines FFS.
I like the cut of his jib.My kind of politician,when he's bought he stays bought.Unlike some others that are so obviously bent that when they die you'd have to screw them into the ground.
I Think there will be enough dreamers/idiots out there to vote him leader of the labour party
but thankfully not enough to ever see him become pm
Exactly what I was talking about. Call people idiots because its not your view. I can see (in general) why so many people don't post on here anymore. Not just a dog at you Holloway, it's a few others that have made this site tedious, although comments like that help. Seriously considering just going to WATRB although when I do sometimes read that, it seems like a lot of posters still think that 'WA-HEYYY' is a chat up line.
Exactly what I was talking about. Call people idiots because its not your view. I can see (in general) why so many people don't post on here anymore. Not just a dog at you Holloway, it's a few others that have made this site tedious, although comments like that help. Seriously considering just going to WATRB although when I do sometimes read that, it seems like a lot of posters still think that 'WA-HEYYY' is a chat up line.
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