By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions. We in turn value your personal details in accordance with our Privacy Policy.
Please log in or register. Registered visitors get fewer ads.
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no?
Our country is fckd match thread on 23:10 - Mar 21 by QPR_John
But when asked what question would be asked in a second referendum nobody in favour has said leave will be an option it's either the EU deal or remain.
The EU deal IS for the UK to leave.
0
Our country is fckd match thread on 08:14 - Mar 22 with 2402 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 08:09 - Mar 22 by GloryHunter
The EU deal IS for the UK to leave.
Yeah but that’s ‘their’ deal from them lot over there. We want a British deal for British people and to be thanked for our grandparents winning the war.
-1
Our country is fckd match thread on 08:58 - Mar 22 with 2348 views
May gone by 12th April NO Mp's will vote for A50 repeal Extension for 1/2 years Tory's in meltdown. Labour headless chickens. UKIP back on the radar.
What's changed?
I heard Lucy Powell his morning going on about a plan, asking the EU for what Cameron asked for on restricted free movement.. you know, that thing the EU rejected and started off the referendum
Our country is fckd match thread on 09:16 - Mar 22 by 2Thomas2Bowles
Deal voted down
May gone by 12th April NO Mp's will vote for A50 repeal Extension for 1/2 years Tory's in meltdown. Labour headless chickens. UKIP back on the radar.
What's changed?
I heard Lucy Powell his morning going on about a plan, asking the EU for what Cameron asked for on restricted free movement.. you know, that thing the EU rejected and started off the referendum
But he (Cameron) didn’t get rejected? Do you know what he promised / asked for and what was agreed or have you read somewhere that he got rejected?
0
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:09 - Mar 22 with 2242 views
Arrrrrrr... Sadiq The Cerebral Psittacoid e' sez.... "Arrrrkkk... This all seems like a mass outbreak of the Stockholm Syndrome where the victims of abuse would rather stay with their abuser than make a break for freedom. Pieces of eight Pieces of eight. Arrrkkkk..."
Yo ho!
1
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:15 - Mar 22 with 2231 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 07:46 - Mar 22 by StraightR
I also voted remain and I've more or less come round to this view as well. I think our rejoining at some point down the road is inevitable, as I can't see our country isolating itself from the people who should be our natural partners and allies working out well. I really hope I'm wrong about that. However, if and when we rejoin we won't get the terms we currently enjoy. Next time round we'll have to do it fully - in the Schengen zone , adopt the Euro, lose the current budget rebate, to name the main opt outs we have now, and sign up to whatever political union might exist at that time.
At my age, I won't be around to see that but I'm grateful that for the majority of my working life we were in the EU.
I voted Leave and totally regret it now... Everybody lied in the lead up to the referendum but I think the Leave campaign came out with some terrible claims which were never going to be achievable. Having said that I think the Remain campaign was a total disaster. They simply didn’t get their message across well enough... they should have engaged the young adults of the UK more and even hard working immigrants stating their visions of the future. They had all the wrong people banging the Remain drum... I remember one particular evening watching the news and seeing Bob Geldof, followed by Neil Kinnock and then Tony Blair advising us to remain... I turned to my wife and said "Are they deliberately trying to lose this vote"?
0
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:12 - Mar 22 with 2190 views
I once had an argument with my mum at 15 years old. I said I was going to leave home and stormed out of the house. I returned a couple of hours later though as was hungry.
Our country is fckd match thread on 08:14 - Mar 22 by Watford_Ranger
Yeah but that’s ‘their’ deal from them lot over there. We want a British deal for British people and to be thanked for our grandparents winning the war.
The EU deal has been negotiated by the PM, some actually call it Mays deal, and rejected by parliament. So it is parliament and all those labour politicians not to mention Jeremy Corbyn who are xenophobic as you are suggesting by wanting a British deal for British people as you quaintly you put it. I think you need to rethink your post
[Post edited 22 Mar 2019 18:16]
0
Our country is fckd match thread on 13:06 - Mar 22 with 2128 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 13:06 - Mar 22 by BasingstokeR
You think most of the ERG don’t want to leave then???
Point taken but the ERG have their own agenda and they think the deal means not leaving. I'll rephrase and say most MPs accept the deal means leaving the EU and hence voted against it for that reason
0
Our country is fckd match thread on 13:15 - Mar 22 with 2114 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:15 - Mar 22 by Rs_Holy
I voted Leave and totally regret it now... Everybody lied in the lead up to the referendum but I think the Leave campaign came out with some terrible claims which were never going to be achievable. Having said that I think the Remain campaign was a total disaster. They simply didn’t get their message across well enough... they should have engaged the young adults of the UK more and even hard working immigrants stating their visions of the future. They had all the wrong people banging the Remain drum... I remember one particular evening watching the news and seeing Bob Geldof, followed by Neil Kinnock and then Tony Blair advising us to remain... I turned to my wife and said "Are they deliberately trying to lose this vote"?
I've said before that I think another remain/leave vote is the only fair way to solve this issue, with a follow up question for leave of deal or no deal. I'd even agree to a 60% remain vote required to overturn the original vote.
The only issue I can find with that plan is that we haven't really addressed the points you raise in your post. The remain campaign will probably have learnt nothing and there's nothing to stop leave making terrible claims as you put it. It all hinges on the voters being more informed after over 2 years of this so they can ignore the politicians and make up their own minds.
0
Our country is fckd match thread on 13:20 - Mar 22 with 2093 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 13:13 - Mar 22 by QPR_John
Point taken but the ERG have their own agenda and they think the deal means not leaving. I'll rephrase and say most MPs accept the deal means leaving the EU and hence voted against it for that reason
Not forgetting May said LEAVE means leave 3467 times.
May/EU deal is half leaving, why the ERG and DUP and a number of Mp's don't want it.
The rest as you say, just don't want to entertain leaving in any form. which means hard or soft Brexit was always just fugging.
I'm not entirely sure how anyone in their right mind thinks Corbyn's ide of a Norway+ model or Customs Union in any way shape or form satisifies Brexit.
It keeps the UK tied to freedom of movement. It keeps UK tied to EU market unjder EU rules governed by the ECJ. Doesn't allow external free trade deals.
How is that Brexit for Britains?
2
Our country is fckd match thread on 17:17 - Mar 22 with 1951 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 14:55 - Mar 22 by swisscottage
I'm not entirely sure how anyone in their right mind thinks Corbyn's ide of a Norway+ model or Customs Union in any way shape or form satisifies Brexit.
It keeps the UK tied to freedom of movement. It keeps UK tied to EU market unjder EU rules governed by the ECJ. Doesn't allow external free trade deals.
How is that Brexit for Britains?
The man who has spent his entire political career shouting down the good ship EU and those who sail in her.
Blokes a fraud, but then again that can be levelled at any number of them.
'You didn't know that was wrong, but now you do. If you do it again, I'll know you are doing it on purpose.'
0
Our country is fckd match thread on 18:32 - Mar 22 with 1896 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 17:17 - Mar 22 by Sharpy36
The man who has spent his entire political career shouting down the good ship EU and those who sail in her.
Blokes a fraud, but then again that can be levelled at any number of them.
It is possible to be critical of the EU and vote Remain you know. I did.
EU is a fcking basket case, but I think we are still better off in it, trying to reform it, than out of it, letting 27 countries take us up the shitter.
No need to reply, this opinion was formed over the last three years and is unlikely to change.
[Post edited 22 Mar 2019 18:58]
1
Our country is fckd match thread on 20:34 - Mar 22 with 1829 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 18:32 - Mar 22 by BazzaInTheLoft
It is possible to be critical of the EU and vote Remain you know. I did.
EU is a fcking basket case, but I think we are still better off in it, trying to reform it, than out of it, letting 27 countries take us up the shitter.
No need to reply, this opinion was formed over the last three years and is unlikely to change.
[Post edited 22 Mar 2019 18:58]
Corbyn was not simply critical of the EU he was opposed to it.
0
Our country is fckd match thread on 20:49 - Mar 22 with 1813 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 13:15 - Mar 22 by QPR_Jim
I've said before that I think another remain/leave vote is the only fair way to solve this issue, with a follow up question for leave of deal or no deal. I'd even agree to a 60% remain vote required to overturn the original vote.
The only issue I can find with that plan is that we haven't really addressed the points you raise in your post. The remain campaign will probably have learnt nothing and there's nothing to stop leave making terrible claims as you put it. It all hinges on the voters being more informed after over 2 years of this so they can ignore the politicians and make up their own minds.
There won't be another referendum.
Firstly The Electoral Commission would have to side with Leave in the question being the same. Leave Remain
2nd the risk that Leave would win again is highly likely and by a greater margin.
3rd Even Remain don't really believe they would win another vote on the terms of just Leave Remain. that's why you are seeing the revoke A50 being spun out but it holds no water and won't happen.
It's now likely Brexit won't now happen, but the consequences will be severe and long, you would have to be completely stupid not to realise that.
There is no easy mend to bring the country back together.
I don't think Tories or Labour could win a majority in a GE
The march tomorrow means nothing, just a load of noise The march against the Iraq war had a Million (just in London) and did nothing.
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
