| The Keir Starmer effect 09:38 - Jul 16 with 5308 views | Catullus |
Just what is it? I saw him on BBC this morning and there seemed to be 3 issues for ex Labour voters, trust, people have lost trust in Labour. Corbyn, 18 months on and the shadow of Jezza is still a toxic presence and last, what do Labour really stand for now?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57848266
I'm not worried about Corbyn himself but his supporters who still infest the party, that's different. Starmer was dismayed he couldn't get out more to meet voters, the pandemic effect, none of us escaped it and Starmer says neither did he but Bojo was very visible, maybe too visible in fact...unless he was hiding in fridges!
Labour has changed a bit but now people don't know them. The same tired old faces are mostly gone from the front bench but these new faces, who are they, what do they really stand for and believe?
Labour, in my opinion, need a big media drive, they need to get their front benches out in front of the public at every opportunity so we can see them and judge them. Will we ever trust them unless we get to know them? I'd still like to see Thornberry ditched, I don't like Lammy but I quite like Nandy and Jess Smith. Angela Rayner was just too gobby and got what she deserved, I'm not sold on Jon Ashworth but the rest of them are largely unknown quantities, we need to know them, we need to be able to trust them.
I've saved the Shadow Weslh Secretary for last, Nia Griffith, why did she get the gig? To me she's one of the tired old faces that needed ditching. For me Labour need to find someone younger, more dynamic, someone the young people of Wales can relate to.
Drakeford tried to engage the youth, he gave them the vote but what happened? Senedd elections have never made 50%, have never matched Westminster elections,
https://research.senedd.wales/research-articles/election-2021-how-many-people-vo
This Welsh government actually only got 20% of the electorate to vote for it. We ned them to be better. Maybe in Westminster they think they can do away with the Senedd or just go around them because there is so little support for the Senedd at the ballot box. Maybe Bojo is sitting there saying less than half the electorate bother to vote so maybe most Welsh people don't really want it? Look at the Senedd, as guilty of being full of tired old faces as Westminster. maybe the problem there is, who chooses the candidates? Is there too much nepotism, too much cronyism in the selection processes? We need frsh faces who get out there and grab our attention, not nuggets like RT Davies or half soaked people who claim they dont even want the job, like Drakeford.
Will we ever get better if the people choosing the next candidates are the very people we need to be rid of? |  |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 12:49 - Jul 23 with 1216 views | max936 |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 16:42 - Jul 19 by felixstowe_jack |
No that is your opion not fact. Just as my four names are my opinion.
You can't charge him for treason over Brexit. The UK population voted to leave in a democratic referendum.
128,000 deaths in UK
England 113,000
Scotland 7,800 Nicola in charge
Wales 5,600 Drakeford in charge
Ni 2100 unionist and political wing of IRA in charge under good Friday agreement.
Johnson deserves great credit for the ordering, procurement and delivery of vaccines throughout the UK, the Crown dependencies, and overseas territories.
The most successful vaccine rollout of any major country. |
That's one success out of countless failures, but typically you focus on that one success, no surprises there. |  |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 17:45 - Aug 5 with 1137 views | felixstowe_jack |
Starmer say the UK should not use the oil in the new oil oil field in the Shetlands.
Instead he would rather the UK import oil from gulf states , with the loss of jobs in the UK oil industry, loss of oil revenues to the government.
We are still going to need oil for at least the next 10 to 20 years far better to use UK oil. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 18:02 - Aug 5 with 1127 views | Catullus |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 17:45 - Aug 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Starmer say the UK should not use the oil in the new oil oil field in the Shetlands.
Instead he would rather the UK import oil from gulf states , with the loss of jobs in the UK oil industry, loss of oil revenues to the government.
We are still going to need oil for at least the next 10 to 20 years far better to use UK oil. |
Is he trying to sound green? Thing is being eco friendly is good but people will see it as turning down jobs, turning down a boost for the Uk economy.
I reckon Strurgeon will be claiming the English are stealing more Scottish oil but Shetland themselves are looking at independence from Scotland because of cuts enforced on them by the SNP government,
https://news.sky.com/story/shetland-islands-vote-to-explore-independence-from-sc
If you're looking to iove somewhere peaceful, somewhere with great views and possibly a booing economy have a look at Shetland!
I do find it funny that Sturgeon makes all these claims about Westminter when parts of her own country want to seperate from her. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 19:22 - Aug 5 with 1114 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 17:45 - Aug 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Starmer say the UK should not use the oil in the new oil oil field in the Shetlands.
Instead he would rather the UK import oil from gulf states , with the loss of jobs in the UK oil industry, loss of oil revenues to the government.
We are still going to need oil for at least the next 10 to 20 years far better to use UK oil. |
Politicians playing with the green agenda is getting boring. The coal mine in Cumbria was a case in point, every country needs it's own steel production as a insurance policy and you need coal to make steel. Nobody thinks things through these days it's just political nonsense. |  |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 22:47 - Aug 5 with 1092 views | Catullus |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 19:22 - Aug 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Politicians playing with the green agenda is getting boring. The coal mine in Cumbria was a case in point, every country needs it's own steel production as a insurance policy and you need coal to make steel. Nobody thinks things through these days it's just political nonsense. |
Part of that political problem (thinking things through) is that when you try to make a simple point, it very quickly become complicated. You want to talk about A but A becomes linked to B then onto C soon follwed by D,E F etc and a simple point becomes a minefield. You couldn't possibly think it through because things you didn't even realise were linked come up.
Many times on here I have had to rethink and reform an opinion because a simple point has become so much more. Even people I roundly disgaree with have had me changing my opinion.
Every day is a learning day no matter how old you are. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 07:18 - Aug 6 with 1073 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 19:22 - Aug 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Politicians playing with the green agenda is getting boring. The coal mine in Cumbria was a case in point, every country needs it's own steel production as a insurance policy and you need coal to make steel. Nobody thinks things through these days it's just political nonsense. |
Yes far better to realise we are still going to be using coal for steel making. Better to use UK coal than import it. That way the jobs are created in the UK and less " coal miles" shipping it in from abroad. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 08:35 - Aug 6 with 1066 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 22:47 - Aug 5 by Catullus |
Part of that political problem (thinking things through) is that when you try to make a simple point, it very quickly become complicated. You want to talk about A but A becomes linked to B then onto C soon follwed by D,E F etc and a simple point becomes a minefield. You couldn't possibly think it through because things you didn't even realise were linked come up.
Many times on here I have had to rethink and reform an opinion because a simple point has become so much more. Even people I roundly disgaree with have had me changing my opinion.
Every day is a learning day no matter how old you are. |
Debate and discussion are important in helping us see things from different perspectives. Alternatively we can shout at eachother. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 08:44 - Aug 6 with 1063 views | whiterock |
Labours biggest mistake is offering a 2nd vote on Europe, Borris doesn't care if we're in or out of Europe, he saw it as his ticket to gain power, Labour, must somehow get over this.
The loss in Hartlepool recently should have hit home, Hartlepool, a stronghold for Labour (like South Wales), it voted overwhelmingly to leave Europe but they put a staunch remainer up as its candidate, massive schoolboy error, I can see it why can't Labour.
I'm Labour through and through but the party needs to get a grip, go on a charm offensive it you like and don't be fooled, Boris is cold, calculating with the moral empathy of bacteria. [Post edited 6 Aug 2021 8:51]
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 08:52 - Aug 6 with 1057 views | Whiterockin |
Starmer just seems to take easy shots when he can without backing them up with alternatives. He just goes very quiet most of the time and seems to be lacking substance. Drakeford on the other hand explains his policies and the reason behind them (not that I always agree with him). I'm not a labour supporter but I hold Drakeford in higher regard than Starmer. |  | | |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 09:07 - Aug 6 with 1045 views | YrAlarch |
And now Boris has gone to Scotland and put his foot in it. | | | |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 10:27 - Aug 6 with 1022 views | felixstowe_jack |
Has he? Why can't the UK prime minister travel anywhere in the UK.
Perhaps Nicola should concentrate on Scotland's problems.
The Scottish education system was once the best in the world but has declined so badly that only 25% of Scotland's children go onto university compared to 50% in rest of the UK.
The Scottish NHS also performs badly compared with the rest of the UK.
Scotland has the worst rate of deaths from drug abuse of any country in Europe.
The abuse of alcohol is almost as bad.
Life expectancy in some parts of Glasgow is worse than some 3rd world countries.
After 20 years of SNP rule things have got worse for the Scottish people. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 12:24 - Aug 6 with 998 views | jackrabbit |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 16:26 - Jul 19 by Kilkennyjack |
You obviously misunderstood my point.
I said Johnson is the worst PM ever.
Thats just a fact.
Saying he is not is like trying to say that day does not follow night.
It does, its a fact.
Johnson is the UKs worst ever PM. Fact.
I would charge him with treason for Brexit.
I would charge with corporate manslaughter for Covid deatgs (130,000)
I would charge him with Gross Misconduct in Public office (for covid contract awards). |
You need to lie down in a darkened room. It’ll pass. |  | | |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 12:27 - Aug 6 with 997 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 12:24 - Aug 6 by jackrabbit |
You need to lie down in a darkened room. It’ll pass. |
I don't think it cures mental. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 13:00 - Aug 6 with 989 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 12:24 - Aug 6 by jackrabbit |
You need to lie down in a darkened room. It’ll pass. |
He is sadly deluded he is not even the worst Conservative PM in my lifetime I can name two, Major and May . As for Labour I could name Brown and Callaghan. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 14:38 - Aug 6 with 974 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 13:00 - Aug 6 by felixstowe_jack |
He is sadly deluded he is not even the worst Conservative PM in my lifetime I can name two, Major and May . As for Labour I could name Brown and Callaghan. |
Come off it. Johnson makes Major look like Churchill. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 16:51 - Aug 6 with 948 views | Catullus |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 08:35 - Aug 6 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Debate and discussion are important in helping us see things from different perspectives. Alternatively we can shout at eachother. |
I'm not arguing against debate and discussion though, just saying in my opinion trying to make a simple political point, one you thought through is very hard because it inevitably becomes complicated and so many tangents spring up, things you'd never even considered considering....see, even this simple point is turning complicated.
Dr W, making Major look like Churchill, that's not a thing I ever expected to see or hear! | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 17:27 - Aug 6 with 939 views | Dr_Winston |
John Major wasn't a great PM by any stretch, but he certainly wasn't a terrible one. The Tories were beginning to tear themselves apart long before he got the top job. A bit sneaky over Maastricht maybe (which is where you sense most of the ire comes from), but much more capable than either May or Johnson, and certainly better than Brown. Probably about on a par with Cameron. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 03:17 - Aug 8 with 855 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 17:27 - Aug 6 by Dr_Winston |
John Major wasn't a great PM by any stretch, but he certainly wasn't a terrible one. The Tories were beginning to tear themselves apart long before he got the top job. A bit sneaky over Maastricht maybe (which is where you sense most of the ire comes from), but much more capable than either May or Johnson, and certainly better than Brown. Probably about on a par with Cameron. |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 03:21 - Aug 8 with 852 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 13:00 - Aug 6 by felixstowe_jack |
He is sadly deluded he is not even the worst Conservative PM in my lifetime I can name two, Major and May . As for Labour I could name Brown and Callaghan. |
Nope Johnson is the worst.
May also shockingly bad.
Record number of illegals still arriving from France sums up Brexit nicely.
God bless the RNLI. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 07:14 - Aug 8 with 841 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 03:21 - Aug 8 by Kilkennyjack |
Nope Johnson is the worst.
May also shockingly bad.
Record number of illegals still arriving from France sums up Brexit nicely.
God bless the RNLI. |
Still sadly deluded. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 22:58 - Aug 11 with 740 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 07:14 - Aug 8 by felixstowe_jack |
Still sadly deluded. |
I see starmer is criticising the cost of covoid test for returning tourist in England but has not even mention Wales labour government insist on an even more expensive covoid test in Wales. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 23:16 - Aug 11 with 734 views | majorraglan |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 22:58 - Aug 11 by felixstowe_jack |
I see starmer is criticising the cost of covoid test for returning tourist in England but has not even mention Wales labour government insist on an even more expensive covoid test in Wales. |
The WG require returning travellers to take the NHS tests which according to the below are better quality ( I don’t know whether they are on not) and the results are automatically updated on to the NHS records, which means people can be contacted and the WG and local health boards and Publuc Health know who positive and who is negative.
I’d imagine this approach prevents someone who returns from abroad “ditching” their test results and carrying on as normal in the event of a positive test result.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/pcr-test-amber-covid-coronavirus-2 | | | |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 06:54 - Aug 12 with 690 views | Whiterockin |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 23:16 - Aug 11 by majorraglan |
The WG require returning travellers to take the NHS tests which according to the below are better quality ( I don’t know whether they are on not) and the results are automatically updated on to the NHS records, which means people can be contacted and the WG and local health boards and Publuc Health know who positive and who is negative.
I’d imagine this approach prevents someone who returns from abroad “ditching” their test results and carrying on as normal in the event of a positive test result.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/pcr-test-amber-covid-coronavirus-2 |
Basically Drakeford does not want Welsh people to go on holiday this year and is making it as difficult as he possibly can. | | | |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 07:38 - Aug 12 with 672 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 23:16 - Aug 11 by majorraglan |
The WG require returning travellers to take the NHS tests which according to the below are better quality ( I don’t know whether they are on not) and the results are automatically updated on to the NHS records, which means people can be contacted and the WG and local health boards and Publuc Health know who positive and who is negative.
I’d imagine this approach prevents someone who returns from abroad “ditching” their test results and carrying on as normal in the event of a positive test result.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/pcr-test-amber-covid-coronavirus-2 |
Still no reason why costs should be much higher in Wales than rest of UK. | |
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| The Keir Starmer effect on 08:45 - Aug 12 with 658 views | majorraglan |
| The Keir Starmer effect on 07:38 - Aug 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Still no reason why costs should be much higher in Wales than rest of UK. |
Average price of a test in the UK is £75, but some companies are charging hundreds of pounds and it’s reported the service from the private providers is very poor hence Sajid Javed writing to the monopolies commission and asking them to investigate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58149951
Some countries don’t charge for PCR tests and there are some saying we shouldn’t charge either, I don’t agree with that as I believe the UK tax payer has picked up enough of an additional burden over the last 18 months without having to incur more debt, if people want to go on holiday then they they should pay themselves. The chances are is that they’re getting a bargain on the holiday! Guy I was speaking to in work picked up a £3.5k holiday for £725 so it’s swings and roundabouts. | | | |
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