| Oli McBurnie 18:09 - May 18 with 7539 views | dna |
What an idiot
Banned?? Sacked?? [Post edited 18 May 2022 18:12]
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| Oli McBurnie on 21:35 - May 20 with 1064 views | KeithHaynes |
| Oli McBurnie on 16:23 - May 20 by Johnw102 |
Lot of condemnation for Oli, but elsewhere people praising Patric Veira for kicking an Everton fan.
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He was surrounded, I would say those involved got off lightly.
He was after all trying to get to the away tunnel to the dressing room.
Putting myself in his position, I think he was quite restrained, especially bearing in mind what happened to Billy Sharp. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 21:59 - May 20 with 1022 views | Brynmill_Jack |
I can’t think of anything after our play off semi against Forest at the Liberty. We were on the pitch but it all seemed good natured. I remember people going to the forest end but that seemed in a friendly way. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 22:33 - May 20 with 988 views | bonymine |
Oli is just a liability can’t believe we got £20M for him but a great bit of business ….he should have moved on without the baggage of his hangers on …some of which are the brothers of a certain Wales centre back who used to play for us ???
Add it into that a Pornstar then you have the ultimate implosion of a ‘half decent’ footballer. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 05:35 - May 21 with 897 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 16:23 - May 20 by Johnw102 |
Lot of condemnation for Oli, but elsewhere people praising Patric Veira for kicking an Everton fan.
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Different situation of someone on their feet squaring up to you, and jumping on a defenseless fan on the floor. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 06:30 - May 21 with 894 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Oli McBurnie on 05:35 - May 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Different situation of someone on their feet squaring up to you, and jumping on a defenseless fan on the floor. |
If that is what he did it. Footage is far from clear |  | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:11 - May 21 with 836 views | onehunglow |
| Oli McBurnie on 06:30 - May 21 by Sirjohnalot |
If that is what he did it. Footage is far from clear |
The fan /fans were on an area where it is prohibited by Statute yet, we are seeing a man being subjected to enquiry by Merseyside Police for basically protecting his personal space.
Given the amount of Flares around ,one could assume ,as should have Vieira ,that young knobrot has a weapon of offence about his person.
I d love to defend Viera in Court myself on this. It is outrageous.
Anyone on a pitch is committing a criminal offence and there are notices to that effect. The significance of any game is irrelevant. You are where you should not be and take whatever consequences befit your tresspass. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 09:30 - May 21 with 824 views | KeithHaynes |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:11 - May 21 by onehunglow |
The fan /fans were on an area where it is prohibited by Statute yet, we are seeing a man being subjected to enquiry by Merseyside Police for basically protecting his personal space.
Given the amount of Flares around ,one could assume ,as should have Vieira ,that young knobrot has a weapon of offence about his person.
I d love to defend Viera in Court myself on this. It is outrageous.
Anyone on a pitch is committing a criminal offence and there are notices to that effect. The significance of any game is irrelevant. You are where you should not be and take whatever consequences befit your tresspass. |
So every angle should be investigated. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 09:45 - May 21 with 815 views | onehunglow |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:30 - May 21 by KeithHaynes |
So every angle should be investigated. |
Absolutely Guv.
I feel for Vieira ,really I do.
Faced with that volume of people,the elation/emotion, he could be excused into believing there was a threat to his person. He was virtually surrounded by others | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 10:27 - May 21 with 786 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:45 - May 21 by onehunglow |
Absolutely Guv.
I feel for Vieira ,really I do.
Faced with that volume of people,the elation/emotion, he could be excused into believing there was a threat to his person. He was virtually surrounded by others |
Absolutely. One take on McBurnie is that he stumbled, no clear evidence it was an intentional stamp. I’d also argue that the footage is inadmissible, as unless the person that took it gives a statement, how can it be exhibited ? It’s a 20 second ish clip, no idea if it’s been edited, clipped etc.
That’s before we get into self defence, illegal entry onto the pitch, whether he was pushed from behind.
No case here at all. | | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 11:06 - May 21 with 753 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 06:30 - May 21 by Sirjohnalot |
If that is what he did it. Footage is far from clear |
The footage shows the fan on the floor and McBurnie approaching and jumping on him.
If the man is on the floor and unarmed, then his threat is minimal/neutralised. He had the option to retreat, instead he attacked the man on the floor.
That's retribution as opposed to self defence. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 11:45 - May 21 with 722 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Oli McBurnie on 11:06 - May 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
The footage shows the fan on the floor and McBurnie approaching and jumping on him.
If the man is on the floor and unarmed, then his threat is minimal/neutralised. He had the option to retreat, instead he attacked the man on the floor.
That's retribution as opposed to self defence. |
It’s a very short clip without knowing any context, you can’t see where the foot lands, do not know if anything connected, do not know if any injury, do not know if edited and if maker doesn’t give a statement exhibiting it, it can’t be used anyway.
As things stand, there’s nothing to convict him on. | | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 11:58 - May 21 with 696 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 11:45 - May 21 by Sirjohnalot |
It’s a very short clip without knowing any context, you can’t see where the foot lands, do not know if anything connected, do not know if any injury, do not know if edited and if maker doesn’t give a statement exhibiting it, it can’t be used anyway.
As things stand, there’s nothing to convict him on. |
You don't have to prove contact or injury, it's common assault by apprehension.
Just need to prove intent, which is clear. [Post edited 21 May 2022 12:09]
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| Oli McBurnie on 12:25 - May 21 with 677 views | Whiterockin |
| Oli McBurnie on 11:45 - May 21 by Sirjohnalot |
It’s a very short clip without knowing any context, you can’t see where the foot lands, do not know if anything connected, do not know if any injury, do not know if edited and if maker doesn’t give a statement exhibiting it, it can’t be used anyway.
As things stand, there’s nothing to convict him on. |
I can't believe, anyone with little knowledge, is disagreeing with a barrister on a point of law. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 12:25 - May 21 with 673 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Oli McBurnie on 11:58 - May 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
You don't have to prove contact or injury, it's common assault by apprehension.
Just need to prove intent, which is clear. [Post edited 21 May 2022 12:09]
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I understand that but without a statement from the potential victim saying he apprehended immediate unlawful violence and the person who took the video, that can’t be shown.
Context is everything which isn’t there on a short clip. What happened before and after ? It’s not as simple as ‘he stamped (possibly) therefore he’s guilty.
Any newly qualified solicitor would get this kicked out | | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:30 - May 21 with 653 views | onehunglow |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:25 - May 21 by Whiterockin |
I can't believe, anyone with little knowledge, is disagreeing with a barrister on a point of law. |
Much has changed since I packed it in . I was going to suggest that Viera could have acyptally arrested that jerk as he was committing an arrestable offence or believed to be going to. That term is now obsolete so I choose my arguments with Jon more carefully .
Unless you are active in the Judiciary process you cannot really judge . | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 12:31 - May 21 with 646 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:25 - May 21 by Sirjohnalot |
I understand that but without a statement from the potential victim saying he apprehended immediate unlawful violence and the person who took the video, that can’t be shown.
Context is everything which isn’t there on a short clip. What happened before and after ? It’s not as simple as ‘he stamped (possibly) therefore he’s guilty.
Any newly qualified solicitor would get this kicked out |
As someone who hasn't had a day of solicitor experience, I would bet an awful lot of money I would get a conviction on that.
What happened after isn't relevant to assault by apprehension. You just have to prove an attempt to recklessly cause injury, whether the attacker succeeds in his efforts doesn't matter to that offence.
Jumping on, or intending to jump on a person on the floor and defenseless is the epitome of assault by apprehension. There is a lawyer with 15 years of experience online that lays this out clearly.
The complainant only has to come forward and state he apprehended immediate threat of injury by the action of Ollie. Just the threat of injury needs to be there as opposed to contact/injury itself. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 12:38 - May 21 with 633 views | jewsonjack |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:31 - May 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
As someone who hasn't had a day of solicitor experience, I would bet an awful lot of money I would get a conviction on that.
What happened after isn't relevant to assault by apprehension. You just have to prove an attempt to recklessly cause injury, whether the attacker succeeds in his efforts doesn't matter to that offence.
Jumping on, or intending to jump on a person on the floor and defenseless is the epitome of assault by apprehension. There is a lawyer with 15 years of experience online that lays this out clearly.
The complainant only has to come forward and state he apprehended immediate threat of injury by the action of Ollie. Just the threat of injury needs to be there as opposed to contact/injury itself. |
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| Oli McBurnie on 12:48 - May 21 with 609 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Which part do you disagree with specifically? | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 12:49 - May 21 with 610 views | Superjan |
SirJohnalot is correct , there’s no basis for a prosecution let alone a conviction. If and it’s a big if the person making the recording came forward and provided a statement producing the whole original recording and the person on the floor came forward and made a statement of complaint then it might go somewhere but at the moment…. | | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:50 - May 21 with 604 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:49 - May 21 by Superjan |
SirJohnalot is correct , there’s no basis for a prosecution let alone a conviction. If and it’s a big if the person making the recording came forward and provided a statement producing the whole original recording and the person on the floor came forward and made a statement of complaint then it might go somewhere but at the moment…. |
Well of course we are assuming the victim makes a complaint and a statement.
There is certainly enough in that video to convict of assault by apprehension. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 12:51 - May 21 with 606 views | Superjan |
I’m not sure that the poster is necessarily disagreeing with your post , I think he’s amused by it . | | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:54 - May 21 with 598 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:51 - May 21 by Superjan |
I’m not sure that the poster is necessarily disagreeing with your post , I think he’s amused by it . |
Wise man then, I suppose. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 12:54 - May 21 with 600 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:31 - May 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
As someone who hasn't had a day of solicitor experience, I would bet an awful lot of money I would get a conviction on that.
What happened after isn't relevant to assault by apprehension. You just have to prove an attempt to recklessly cause injury, whether the attacker succeeds in his efforts doesn't matter to that offence.
Jumping on, or intending to jump on a person on the floor and defenseless is the epitome of assault by apprehension. There is a lawyer with 15 years of experience online that lays this out clearly.
The complainant only has to come forward and state he apprehended immediate threat of injury by the action of Ollie. Just the threat of injury needs to be there as opposed to contact/injury itself. |
Ok. Opinions differ I guess. | | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:57 - May 21 with 595 views | Superjan |
If the original point of the thread was , “ what’s likely to happen to McBurnie “ criminally , then without the person who made the recording producing a complete recording then the answer is nothing. | | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 13:00 - May 21 with 588 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 12:57 - May 21 by Superjan |
If the original point of the thread was , “ what’s likely to happen to McBurnie “ criminally , then without the person who made the recording producing a complete recording then the answer is nothing. |
Depends if the man has made a complaint and is willing to give a statement.
If he is and says that he feared that McBurnie's actions were going to cause him injury in that moment, then a conviction of some sort is likely in my opinion going by the evidence of that video.
As stated what happened after isn't relevant to that charge which would be assault by apprehension.
If he hasn't made a complaint and isn't going to make a statement then I agree, likely nothing will happen. Its all up the the bloke on the floor and what he intends to do. | |
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