| Oli McBurnie 18:09 - May 18 with 7541 views | dna |
What an idiot
Banned?? Sacked?? [Post edited 18 May 2022 18:12]
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| Oli McBurnie on 13:25 - May 19 with 1552 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 13:11 - May 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
a) Sharp got splatted aggressively.
b) There were 500 plus young probably drunk delirious fans running amoke causing argy bargy with him.
c) One was at his feets possibly trying to bring him to the floor.
d) A short sharp jab to the ribs resolved the matter and allowed him to escape the melee.
e) He does charitable work.
The alleged kick (if there even was one) was reasonable.
Forums abound with people with a 'posee' 'string him up' mentality. Safety in numbers on a mission.
I rest my case your honour. |
Denied, frivolous waste of time for the jury. I apologise to them on your behalf.
Guilty. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 15:47 - May 19 with 1505 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
McBurnie needs to declare himself "100% teetotal" and get his career back on track. A real good investment on those terms. He has to grow up and make new mates not including his old chums from Swansea. A tailor made replacement for Piroe if he has grown up. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 22:16 - May 19 with 1397 views | raynor94 |
Been told to attend the Police Station voluntarily, or be arrested |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 22:47 - May 19 with 1386 views | TenbySwan |
No pitch invasion, no assault.
Nottingham, players assaulted
Everton,Vieira assulted
Port Vale tonight with Swindon players assaulted. |  | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 00:18 - May 20 with 1351 views | KeithHaynes |
| Oli McBurnie on 22:47 - May 19 by TenbySwan |
No pitch invasion, no assault.
Nottingham, players assaulted
Everton,Vieira assulted
Port Vale tonight with Swindon players assaulted. |
Even though a bloke is sat in jail tonight for assault on Sharp people still seem to want to get involved in front of cameras and evidence of their wrongdoing. |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 09:38 - May 20 with 1219 views | max936 |
| Oli McBurnie on 00:18 - May 20 by KeithHaynes |
Even though a bloke is sat in jail tonight for assault on Sharp people still seem to want to get involved in front of cameras and evidence of their wrongdoing. |
I've no words, civil disorder at football, seems to be getting worse  |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 09:41 - May 20 with 1210 views | max936 |
| Oli McBurnie on 22:16 - May 19 by raynor94 |
Been told to attend the Police Station voluntarily, or be arrested |
Can't see this ending well for him at all, especially when it involves football violence and he's got previous, Silly boy. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 09:41 - May 20 with 1207 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 22:47 - May 19 by TenbySwan |
No pitch invasion, no assault.
Nottingham, players assaulted
Everton,Vieira assulted
Port Vale tonight with Swindon players assaulted. |
Pitch invasions aren't illegal, it would be a civil trespass at best. They are almost viewed as traditional in these kinds of matches.
Certainly no excuse to become violent to someone on the floor. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 09:54 - May 20 with 1199 views | STID2017 |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:41 - May 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
Pitch invasions aren't illegal, it would be a civil trespass at best. They are almost viewed as traditional in these kinds of matches.
Certainly no excuse to become violent to someone on the floor. |
Never an excuse for violence in or out of football.
McBurnie seemed ready to get involved during the game at one point when it all kicked off ( think it was when United's manager got booked ?)
He needs to have a good look at himself.
Otherwise could see his career going downhill |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 09:56 - May 20 with 1196 views | max936 |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:41 - May 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
Pitch invasions aren't illegal, it would be a civil trespass at best. They are almost viewed as traditional in these kinds of matches.
Certainly no excuse to become violent to someone on the floor. |
I thought it was virtually a criminal offence these days, I always thought anyone caught would face a fine and a ban, maybe not so much with a celebratory invasion, but I suppose that's going down the double standards road then. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 10:03 - May 20 with 1189 views | KeithHaynes |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:56 - May 20 by max936 |
I thought it was virtually a criminal offence these days, I always thought anyone caught would face a fine and a ban, maybe not so much with a celebratory invasion, but I suppose that's going down the double standards road then. |
For a ‘designated’ football match it is.
But hardly enforced in large numbers because nobody would be able to go to games 😂 | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 10:03 - May 20 with 1185 views | KeithHaynes |
Seems Ollie was arrested on attending the police station yesterday, interviewed and bailed. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 10:08 - May 20 with 1166 views | max936 |
| Oli McBurnie on 10:03 - May 20 by KeithHaynes |
For a ‘designated’ football match it is.
But hardly enforced in large numbers because nobody would be able to go to games 😂 |
That's why I said, that it could be deemed as double standards to charge/fine/ban a few for doing it, but then there's no way they can arrest hundreds, thousands even, could bring in the water cannons though  | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 11:27 - May 20 with 1126 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:41 - May 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
Pitch invasions aren't illegal, it would be a civil trespass at best. They are almost viewed as traditional in these kinds of matches.
Certainly no excuse to become violent to someone on the floor. |
From what i have read pitch invasion are illegal and can lead to a criminal conviction. This is stated of the EFL guidance to fans.
Fans are too tolerant of disorder including flares and players running into the crowd. "The what harm can it do " question has good answers.
Nottingham police have seen the video which does not show contact and have not had a complaint off anyone who was illegally on the pitch in any case. You would think they have better things to be doing. They are hoping the camera man and 'victim' will come forward and do their work for them to manufacture a case against a celebrity footballer.
I got this from the Guardian.
{It is understood all options will be looked at. The EFL said: “Supporters are reminded that it is against the law to enter the pitch at any time and could result in a club ban and criminal record. } [Post edited 20 May 2022 11:31]
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| Oli McBurnie on 13:53 - May 20 with 1084 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Oli McBurnie on 11:27 - May 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
From what i have read pitch invasion are illegal and can lead to a criminal conviction. This is stated of the EFL guidance to fans.
Fans are too tolerant of disorder including flares and players running into the crowd. "The what harm can it do " question has good answers.
Nottingham police have seen the video which does not show contact and have not had a complaint off anyone who was illegally on the pitch in any case. You would think they have better things to be doing. They are hoping the camera man and 'victim' will come forward and do their work for them to manufacture a case against a celebrity footballer.
I got this from the Guardian.
{It is understood all options will be looked at. The EFL said: “Supporters are reminded that it is against the law to enter the pitch at any time and could result in a club ban and criminal record. } [Post edited 20 May 2022 11:31]
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Under what law is a trespass onto a football pitch a criminal act?
This is what I gather from the law of the land:
''Trespassing is usually a civil wrong and dealt with accordingly. However, in England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, generally those which involve squatters, raves and hunt saboteurs are covered by criminal law. There are offences under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 Sections 61 and 62 of trespassing on land and trespassing with vehicles.''
Edit - Although on further inspection, it appears it is q civil offence in all other sports, but with football it is in fact criminal. That's bizarre. [Post edited 20 May 2022 13:57]
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| Oli McBurnie on 13:59 - May 20 with 1082 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Oli McBurnie on 13:53 - May 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
Under what law is a trespass onto a football pitch a criminal act?
This is what I gather from the law of the land:
''Trespassing is usually a civil wrong and dealt with accordingly. However, in England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, generally those which involve squatters, raves and hunt saboteurs are covered by criminal law. There are offences under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 Sections 61 and 62 of trespassing on land and trespassing with vehicles.''
Edit - Although on further inspection, it appears it is q civil offence in all other sports, but with football it is in fact criminal. That's bizarre. [Post edited 20 May 2022 13:57]
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I not not want to get into the legal nitty gritty as it is a specialist field.
I presume the EFL lawyers have done that and checked their statements. Running onto the field of play is against the law and may be specific to sporting or entertainment events. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 14:16 - May 20 with 1061 views | controversial_jack |
| Oli McBurnie on 13:59 - May 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I not not want to get into the legal nitty gritty as it is a specialist field.
I presume the EFL lawyers have done that and checked their statements. Running onto the field of play is against the law and may be specific to sporting or entertainment events. |
Trespass is indeed a civil offence, however aggravated trespass is criminal. I'm not sure if this comes under aggravated trespass. It doesn't give anyone the right to use violence whatever category it comes under. |  | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 14:20 - May 20 with 1047 views | Sirjohnalot |
It is a criminal offence, I think it’s under the Football (Offences) Act, section 3 or 4.something like that. |  | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 14:40 - May 20 with 1022 views | Badlands |
| Oli McBurnie on 14:16 - May 20 by controversial_jack |
Trespass is indeed a civil offence, however aggravated trespass is criminal. I'm not sure if this comes under aggravated trespass. It doesn't give anyone the right to use violence whatever category it comes under. |
It is a criminal Offence.
1991 Football (Offences) Act
'Going onto the playing area.
It is an offence for a person at a designated football match to go onto the playing area, or any area adjacent to the playing area to which spectators are not generally admitted, without lawful authority or lawful excuse (which shall be for him to prove).'
This applies to football
There are 9 football-only crimes, created by 11 pieces of legislation targeting football fans. These acts are only criminal if committed within a football stadium, or when travelling to or from a football match. None of these offences would apply at other sporting events. Including ..
ENCROACHING ON THE PITCH
Pitch invasion is not a criminal offence in other sports; it is only against grounds regulations. A moment of jubilation or protest may mean a football fan is arrested and charged — even though pitch invasions have marked football’s most iconic moments. This can include people who were pushed on to the pitch in a crowd surge, or fans staging a pitch invasion as a protest against their club’s owners (which is often one of the few available avenues of protest). It is also an offence to go on to the area adjacent to the pitch.
This offence was created by the Football Offences Act 1991.
There have been 925 arrests and 733 prosecutions for going on to the pitch since 2010 |  |
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| Oli McBurnie on 14:50 - May 20 with 1006 views | max936 |
| Oli McBurnie on 14:40 - May 20 by Badlands |
It is a criminal Offence.
1991 Football (Offences) Act
'Going onto the playing area.
It is an offence for a person at a designated football match to go onto the playing area, or any area adjacent to the playing area to which spectators are not generally admitted, without lawful authority or lawful excuse (which shall be for him to prove).'
This applies to football
There are 9 football-only crimes, created by 11 pieces of legislation targeting football fans. These acts are only criminal if committed within a football stadium, or when travelling to or from a football match. None of these offences would apply at other sporting events. Including ..
ENCROACHING ON THE PITCH
Pitch invasion is not a criminal offence in other sports; it is only against grounds regulations. A moment of jubilation or protest may mean a football fan is arrested and charged — even though pitch invasions have marked football’s most iconic moments. This can include people who were pushed on to the pitch in a crowd surge, or fans staging a pitch invasion as a protest against their club’s owners (which is often one of the few available avenues of protest). It is also an offence to go on to the area adjacent to the pitch.
This offence was created by the Football Offences Act 1991.
There have been 925 arrests and 733 prosecutions for going on to the pitch since 2010 |
That clears up that question, neatly done. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 14:58 - May 20 with 992 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Oli McBurnie on 13:53 - May 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
Under what law is a trespass onto a football pitch a criminal act?
This is what I gather from the law of the land:
''Trespassing is usually a civil wrong and dealt with accordingly. However, in England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, generally those which involve squatters, raves and hunt saboteurs are covered by criminal law. There are offences under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 Sections 61 and 62 of trespassing on land and trespassing with vehicles.''
Edit - Although on further inspection, it appears it is q civil offence in all other sports, but with football it is in fact criminal. That's bizarre. [Post edited 20 May 2022 13:57]
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It’s not bizarre. Football had a much higher problem with criminal behaviour then any other sport, which is why we have Football Banning Orders and legislation specifically to rugby matches.
I guess running onto a rugby pitch to confront a 20 stone, 6’4 Samoan probably has something to do with it too : ) | | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 15:07 - May 20 with 978 views | KeithHaynes |
| Oli McBurnie on 13:53 - May 20 by Dr_Parnassus |
Under what law is a trespass onto a football pitch a criminal act?
This is what I gather from the law of the land:
''Trespassing is usually a civil wrong and dealt with accordingly. However, in England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, generally those which involve squatters, raves and hunt saboteurs are covered by criminal law. There are offences under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 Sections 61 and 62 of trespassing on land and trespassing with vehicles.''
Edit - Although on further inspection, it appears it is q civil offence in all other sports, but with football it is in fact criminal. That's bizarre. [Post edited 20 May 2022 13:57]
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I recall a swans fan falling on to the pitch at Cheltenham when celebrating that strange 3-4 win.He was arrested and managed to get out of a ban, as did a swans fan who was directed by a steward to cross from the stand to behind the goal and when he did so another steward grabbed him and dragged him away.
The whole management of the football offences act by police has been criticised for years, there was a time that drinking alcohol before and after a designated football match on a bus or mini bus was met with a fine and potential bans. Looking at the state of some people travelling these days I would imagine that’s gone overlooked.
It’s been an offence for 30 plus years, you would have thought people would have got a grip with it. | |
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| Oli McBurnie on 15:39 - May 20 with 950 views | swan65split |
| Oli McBurnie on 09:54 - May 20 by STID2017 |
Never an excuse for violence in or out of football.
McBurnie seemed ready to get involved during the game at one point when it all kicked off ( think it was when United's manager got booked ?)
He needs to have a good look at himself.
Otherwise could see his career going downhill |
I seen that bit, rushed in from the side.
I think he went to the wrong club, as to his career, yes may be right, hos best option would be to come back here to the sticks  and knuckle down and enjoy what's left.and maybe enjoy the ride. |  | | |
| Oli McBurnie on 16:23 - May 20 with 919 views | Johnw102 |
Lot of condemnation for Oli, but elsewhere people praising Patric Veira for kicking an Everton fan.
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| Oli McBurnie on 16:32 - May 20 with 893 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Oli McBurnie on 15:07 - May 20 by KeithHaynes |
I recall a swans fan falling on to the pitch at Cheltenham when celebrating that strange 3-4 win.He was arrested and managed to get out of a ban, as did a swans fan who was directed by a steward to cross from the stand to behind the goal and when he did so another steward grabbed him and dragged him away.
The whole management of the football offences act by police has been criticised for years, there was a time that drinking alcohol before and after a designated football match on a bus or mini bus was met with a fine and potential bans. Looking at the state of some people travelling these days I would imagine that’s gone overlooked.
It’s been an offence for 30 plus years, you would have thought people would have got a grip with it. |
A few years ago an idiot on our minibus posted on Twitter the pub we were leaving from, the time it was leaving and “all aboard the booze bus choo choo”. The police were there waiting to confiscate all our beer and take our details and said they’d be checking the bus for booze at the other end. (Think it was Crawley off the top of my head). Threatened to arrest us under section something or other.
So we stopped off in Asda in Bridgend for more beer and just made sure it was all drunk by the time we got to the ground. The police came on the other end and found nothing. | | | |
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