| Play Offs? Dream on 21:13 - Feb 15 with 6245 views | hopekillsyou |
Dreaming of the playoffs? As the table below illustrates, that’s probably what it is…dream on…
Championship 6th place team by season
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
18-19 54 Middlesbrough No 74 Derby 54 7th
19-20 53 Preston No 70 Swansea 48 11th
20-21 52 Bournemouth Yes 77 Bourne’th 52 6th ( Bournemouth promoted)
21-22 53 Huddersfield Yes 75 Luton 52 7th ( QPR 5th after 33 with 53; finished
22-23 51 Luton Yes 69 Sund’lnd 49 8th. 11th with 66)
23-24 54 Hull city No 73 Norwich 51 8th
24-25 48 WBA ?
Col 1: Season
Col 2: Points of 6th place team after 33 games
Col 3 : Club in 6th place after 33 games
Col 4: Did this club make play offs?
Col. 5: Points of 6th place team after 46 games
Col. 6: Club in 6th place after 46 games
Col 7: Points of final 6th placed team after 33 games
Col. 8: League position of final 6th placed team after 33 games
It’s a mountain to climb for QPR to get to the play offs. Our 44 points total after 33 games is lower than any other similarly positioned team in the last 6 seasons ( Swansea had 48 in 19-20 and achieved an impressive 22 from their final 13 games or 2.46 points/game).
It’s possible but highly unlikely. But strange stuff happens very occasionally.
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 21:18 - Feb 15 with 3982 views | hopekillsyou |
My formatting has …collapsed. Apologies.But I hope this makes some sense | | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 21:27 - Feb 15 with 3907 views | TomS |
(Checks glossary). So you're saying there's a chance? |  | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 10:22 - Feb 16 with 3385 views | derbyhoop |
To finish in the top 6 we'd need at least 70 points, IMO. That means another 26 or 2 points per game. Seeing as we still have to play 5 of the top 6, including the runaway top 3 at LR, I don't see the above target as realistic.
However, the development since Nov, makes me think that next season a top 6 place is achievable. If Marti and Nourry feel the same way, then the planning can start now.9 |  |
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 10:32 - Feb 16 with 3351 views | E17hoop |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 10:22 - Feb 16 by derbyhoop |
To finish in the top 6 we'd need at least 70 points, IMO. That means another 26 or 2 points per game. Seeing as we still have to play 5 of the top 6, including the runaway top 3 at LR, I don't see the above target as realistic.
However, the development since Nov, makes me think that next season a top 6 place is achievable. If Marti and Nourry feel the same way, then the planning can start now.9 |
Over the last 10 games we've accrued 19 points. Do the same and let's talk then. |  |
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 11:34 - Feb 16 with 3193 views | Watford_Ranger |
It’s optimistic but still realistic hence it’s a 33/1 shot. To be in the mix at all at this point is an achievement. The dream may be dead in a couple of weeks or it may suddenly be more of a 10% chance than 3%.
The goal difference probably means we need 70 points. I’ve seen worse 33/1 shots. | | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 11:37 - Feb 16 with 3165 views | SydneyRs |
Its extremely unlikely, not least due to the number of teams between us and 6th.
However lets allow ourselves to dream while not worrying about relegation, just for a bit eh? | | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 11:56 - Feb 16 with 3110 views | DWQPR |
It is very unlikely that we will achieve sixth place and it makes me wonder if we had a mediocre start to the season instead of a disastrous one where we would be now. Looked at last season after 33 games and we were third bottom on 32 points after beating Bristol City away. So for me having a 12 point improvement is this seasons story so far. Happy with that. | |
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 12:32 - Feb 16 with 2980 views | KensalT |
What is clear from that breakdown is that West Brom are below par for 6th placed teams at this stage of the season and may need to up their game to be certain of finishing in the top six.
But no team has come from as low as 13th at this stage to finish in the top six.
And you don't take into account goal difference. West Brom are +11, and we're -2. Which means we will need to make up five points on them, not four.
We also have a tough run of games in March. Get through that with two points per game and we might have a chance. [Post edited 16 Feb 15:40]
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 12:32 - Feb 16 with 2961 views | LazyFan |
No chance of playoffs.
We have to play all the top teams now, and we won't beat them all, especially with the dire standard of refs in this league.
This is all a guess but ...
What we can hope for is a secured mid-table finish and early on so, that the management team can plan top improve the squad and team tactics for next year. Move Madsen on at a loss, but at least free up some funds for investing in a proper forward. Possibly move Celar on as well.
Bring in Saito on a free (but no doubt signing on fee), a RB (assuming Dunne is off) and yet another go at a CF like Frey. LB seems to be secured early with Dale and that Brazillian U19 guy who can play both fullback positions it seems.
We shall keep Cook as he's shown he's still class and does not miss many games, even when injured. Colback and Andersen are not adding whole season value when they get injured or don't play well enough so, they will be out. The wages they free up are immense. Let's hope that can be used to secure Dunne's renewal. But I doubt it or I suspect we would have heard that by now.
As we have to sell every year, I suspect we can get £1m for Kelman and possible some money for Celar and Madsen (yeah sure we shall lose on those deals, but what we do get for them can be invested). Which might mean we keep Chair for yet another year. Otherwise we shall have to sell Chair, as what other player assets do we really have that any other club would want? [Post edited 16 Feb 12:35]
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 12:55 - Feb 16 with 2876 views | kensalriser |
It doesn't matter what the average points are for top 6 finish, the only thing that matters is the current gap and that gap isn't especially great.
The bigger problems are that we have to play more teams at the top than the bottom (and our record against the top teams this season is not good) and that the rapid improvement in our results seems to have plateaued.
Then again, Coventry were below us a few weeks ago, now seventh and a point behind sixth. |  |
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 13:27 - Feb 16 with 2782 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Checks glossary and returns with: Are we safe yet? |  |
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 13:48 - Feb 16 with 2705 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Erm, we're four points off sixth place. Of course we have a chance (like plenty of other teams). | | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 14:53 - Feb 16 with 2615 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 12:55 - Feb 16 by kensalriser |
It doesn't matter what the average points are for top 6 finish, the only thing that matters is the current gap and that gap isn't especially great.
The bigger problems are that we have to play more teams at the top than the bottom (and our record against the top teams this season is not good) and that the rapid improvement in our results seems to have plateaued.
Then again, Coventry were below us a few weeks ago, now seventh and a point behind sixth. |
Good example Coventry turned 2 points into 6 with goals at the death and we can do that also I think.
Pretty much every poster are saying lets plan for a top 6 finish next season but I say why not these next 3 months nobody knows what will happen in the summer the time is now. |  | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 15:07 - Feb 16 with 2541 views | QPROslo |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 14:53 - Feb 16 by CLAREMAN1995 |
Good example Coventry turned 2 points into 6 with goals at the death and we can do that also I think.
Pretty much every poster are saying lets plan for a top 6 finish next season but I say why not these next 3 months nobody knows what will happen in the summer the time is now. |
"The time is now" Dead right. Next season can wait til this one is finished for us anyway. | | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 15:37 - Feb 16 with 2451 views | DannyPaddox |
Absolutely no way we can get 2 points a game. It’s 3 for a win. 1 for a draw. And 0 for a defeat.
So having put that one to bed, seriously, previous seasons are a good guide but look at the situation we’re in here and now. We’re 4 points off the play-offs with 14 games to play and we’re playing good football. As I see it there’s 2 play-off places up for grabs and there’s about 10 teams involved in a mad scramble for those places. There’s not much between those 10 teams and 1 of those teams is us. March will be a tough month but maybe in our favour as we can have a good April and build momentum going into what could be a crucial May. A curious one is what will the motivations be of the opposition in our last 2 games? Burnley Home. Sunderland away. They could already be up or already qualified for the play-off but mathematically short of automatic. They could be resting players, playing young squad players. Or on the beach with Chris Rea. Could be a key factor in our run in. |  | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 16:13 - Feb 16 with 2393 views | derbyhoop |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 10:32 - Feb 16 by E17hoop |
Over the last 10 games we've accrued 19 points. Do the same and let's talk then. |
If we do that, I'd happily revisit this thread.
Playoffs are not impossible but unrealistic, For this season, IMHO.
Frankly, looking at our March fixtures I'd be happy with anything over 5 points from those 5 fixtures. [Post edited 17 Feb 10:02]
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 16:25 - Feb 16 with 2363 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 15:37 - Feb 16 by DannyPaddox |
Absolutely no way we can get 2 points a game. It’s 3 for a win. 1 for a draw. And 0 for a defeat.
So having put that one to bed, seriously, previous seasons are a good guide but look at the situation we’re in here and now. We’re 4 points off the play-offs with 14 games to play and we’re playing good football. As I see it there’s 2 play-off places up for grabs and there’s about 10 teams involved in a mad scramble for those places. There’s not much between those 10 teams and 1 of those teams is us. March will be a tough month but maybe in our favour as we can have a good April and build momentum going into what could be a crucial May. A curious one is what will the motivations be of the opposition in our last 2 games? Burnley Home. Sunderland away. They could already be up or already qualified for the play-off but mathematically short of automatic. They could be resting players, playing young squad players. Or on the beach with Chris Rea. Could be a key factor in our run in. |
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 16:59 - Feb 16 with 2260 views | DannyPaddox |
I thought it was the Chris Rea Fundamentalists on my back again. [Post edited 16 Feb 17:23]
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 17:06 - Feb 16 with 2238 views | danehoop |
I was thinking of this the other way round in that many of the other teams in the promotion mix still have to play us. We are now not someone that you can look at for an easy 3 points anymore in the fixture list and you wouldnt want to come to Loftus Road needing points.
That said I suspect that losing at Coventry probably puts playoffs out of reach this season. |  |
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 17:18 - Feb 16 with 2169 views | ManinBlack |
We probably won't make the play offs purely because one win in first third of the season is a lot of wasted games. Losing at home to Pompey, drawing at home to Plymouth and Coventry (when they were in bottom 3), losing at Derby etc were costly.
I think 4 of the next 6 are away but we are not playing as well away now we are good at home. During our chronic home form it was the away results which kept us afloat. I know we drew at Sheffield Utd and Burnley but that doesn't mean we will win the return home games. When we won at Burnley and Leicester we had lost to both at home.
Leeds are clearly better than last season and I don't think they will be bottling it in March when they visit. If it was in April possibly they might be wobbling. On paper the last two games against Burnley and Sunderland are tough if we need to win to make the play offs. Nobody is finding it easy to score against Burnley let alone beat them. Those two games might be easier for us if both can't get automatic promotion so they rest a few players for the play offs.
It hasn't helped us with Coventry in 7th picking up 4 bonus points in a few days with two added time winners. We have lost 3 of the last 5 matches and Portsmouth away is difficult looking at their recent home form compared to our away form. I think we have too much to do and we can't afford too many slip ups. |  | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 17:24 - Feb 16 with 2152 views | dmm |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 15:37 - Feb 16 by DannyPaddox |
Absolutely no way we can get 2 points a game. It’s 3 for a win. 1 for a draw. And 0 for a defeat.
So having put that one to bed, seriously, previous seasons are a good guide but look at the situation we’re in here and now. We’re 4 points off the play-offs with 14 games to play and we’re playing good football. As I see it there’s 2 play-off places up for grabs and there’s about 10 teams involved in a mad scramble for those places. There’s not much between those 10 teams and 1 of those teams is us. March will be a tough month but maybe in our favour as we can have a good April and build momentum going into what could be a crucial May. A curious one is what will the motivations be of the opposition in our last 2 games? Burnley Home. Sunderland away. They could already be up or already qualified for the play-off but mathematically short of automatic. They could be resting players, playing young squad players. Or on the beach with Chris Rea. Could be a key factor in our run in. |
Umm, *cough, cough*, it's 13 games left not 14. So I'm afraid your optimism is a bit skewed. A bit like your arithmetic.
And, Chris Rea's a bit skewed too. |  | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 18:04 - Feb 16 with 2059 views | DannyPaddox |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 17:24 - Feb 16 by dmm |
Umm, *cough, cough*, it's 13 games left not 14. So I'm afraid your optimism is a bit skewed. A bit like your arithmetic.
And, Chris Rea's a bit skewed too. |
Well skew you too Mr M.
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 18:21 - Feb 16 with 2029 views | Boston |
Actually, I'd be ok with a 7th place finish. | |
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| Play Offs? Dream on on 18:33 - Feb 16 with 1988 views | Bacon |
Out of interest for myself I thought I would have a look at all the run in's for teams 5th to 13th.
And based on Averaged current position and average current form (10 games) our run in is the 2nd and 1st hardest of all the teams above. (No Idea if the table below will work!)
Position Team Ave Left to play On Form 10 games
8 Bristol 10.5 10.9
13 QPR 10.8 10.5
12 Norwich 12.0 12.8
6 WBA 12.3 11
9 Sheff Wed 12.5 12.4
11 Boro 13.6 13
5 Blackburn 13.9 15.5
7 Coventry 14.0 13.5
10 Watford 14.4 14.8 | | | |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 19:02 - Feb 16 with 1868 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Play Offs? Dream on on 18:33 - Feb 16 by Bacon |
Out of interest for myself I thought I would have a look at all the run in's for teams 5th to 13th.
And based on Averaged current position and average current form (10 games) our run in is the 2nd and 1st hardest of all the teams above. (No Idea if the table below will work!)
Position Team Ave Left to play On Form 10 games
8 Bristol 10.5 10.9
13 QPR 10.8 10.5
12 Norwich 12.0 12.8
6 WBA 12.3 11
9 Sheff Wed 12.5 12.4
11 Boro 13.6 13
5 Blackburn 13.9 15.5
7 Coventry 14.0 13.5
10 Watford 14.4 14.8 |
Watford have a very kind run coming up now off the back of facing Boro at the right time. They’re soft as anything as we know but can imagine them being right up there in a few weeks if their better players have decided they fancy it. | | | |
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