| Ashes Thread 23:09 - Nov 16 with 19793 views | Dale92 |
Seeming we are about a week away from the first test. Think its time to get the thread going as im getting fed up of reading about bURY for the past week. Aussies have announced their squad. Bancroft gets the nod over Renshaw as opener- he only got one century in div 2 last year. Tim Paine is back and so it Shaun Marsh. For the Aussies its hardly forminable and Khajawa is in their.
Meanwhile, are boys are playing a 3rf rate team but seem to be doing ok bar Vince. Overton looks promising and Woakes looks like he ready to take on the challange-vice captain anyone?
We can only expect flat, bouncey pitches. Id wish wed have giving foakes a go with bairstow at 3 in the warm up games. I dont think well ever need 2 spinners in Aus. Would have also liked to see us play a decent team before the 1st test..a NZ A team or something wpuld have helped.
Im going for a series draw. [Post edited 16 Nov 2017 23:14]
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| Ashes Thread on 22:48 - Dec 7 with 1885 views | D_Alien |
| Ashes Thread on 22:34 - Dec 7 by 1mark1 |
Thanks for pointing out my mistakes. Nice to know that my (many ) errors are being kept tags on. Never realised I made the same mistake more than 12 times 😲. Maybe we could have a MB spelling mistake league. 😀 |
Mark, your phone's made the same error many times, which everyone including myself has happily ignored since that's what phones do
This is a cricket thread, and I mentioned the 'seam' due to it's topicality. Get it?
If you want to feel hurt about it, it's just as well you're not in the firing line of Starc, Hazlewood & Cummins, whilst lambasting our batsmen for not quite being skilful enough to withstand one of the best pace attacks (plus Lyons) we've seen for some time
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| Ashes Thread on 23:04 - Dec 7 with 1859 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 22:48 - Dec 7 by D_Alien |
Mark, your phone's made the same error many times, which everyone including myself has happily ignored since that's what phones do
This is a cricket thread, and I mentioned the 'seam' due to it's topicality. Get it?
If you want to feel hurt about it, it's just as well you're not in the firing line of Starc, Hazlewood & Cummins, whilst lambasting our batsmen for not quite being skilful enough to withstand one of the best pace attacks (plus Lyons) we've seen for some time
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Some times phone, other times been tablet, but down to my clumsy typing, and not checking properly.
I did see the very witty cricket reference, to SEAM, and only wish my spelling of it like that was due to it being a cricket thread.
I am not hurt by it, just a bit bemused that anyone would take time to spot how many times I spelt seam wrong. Takes a lot more to hurt me, than anything that could be said on here.
As for the Aussies pace attack, yes , it’s good, as is Lyon, however, many of the times our batsmen are out, it’s down to poor shot selection, attacking when defending would have been the better option. This has been said by, ex England and Aussie greats of the game, as well as cricket correspondents, who know far more about the game than me, ie, Cricket People. |  |
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| Ashes Thread on 23:22 - Dec 7 with 1852 views | TVOS1907 |
| Ashes Thread on 23:04 - Dec 7 by 1mark1 |
Some times phone, other times been tablet, but down to my clumsy typing, and not checking properly.
I did see the very witty cricket reference, to SEAM, and only wish my spelling of it like that was due to it being a cricket thread.
I am not hurt by it, just a bit bemused that anyone would take time to spot how many times I spelt seam wrong. Takes a lot more to hurt me, than anything that could be said on here.
As for the Aussies pace attack, yes , it’s good, as is Lyon, however, many of the times our batsmen are out, it’s down to poor shot selection, attacking when defending would have been the better option. This has been said by, ex England and Aussie greats of the game, as well as cricket correspondents, who know far more about the game than me, ie, Cricket People. |
I bet they would have overturned Henderson’s red card at Wigan! |  |
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| Ashes Thread on 23:59 - Dec 7 with 1826 views | D_Alien |
| Ashes Thread on 23:04 - Dec 7 by 1mark1 |
Some times phone, other times been tablet, but down to my clumsy typing, and not checking properly.
I did see the very witty cricket reference, to SEAM, and only wish my spelling of it like that was due to it being a cricket thread.
I am not hurt by it, just a bit bemused that anyone would take time to spot how many times I spelt seam wrong. Takes a lot more to hurt me, than anything that could be said on here.
As for the Aussies pace attack, yes , it’s good, as is Lyon, however, many of the times our batsmen are out, it’s down to poor shot selection, attacking when defending would have been the better option. This has been said by, ex England and Aussie greats of the game, as well as cricket correspondents, who know far more about the game than me, ie, Cricket People. |
That's not in question. What is in question is whether England should've achieved the tenth highest fourth innings total for victory in test history, under conditions of intense scrutiny (I doubt the media were playing constant replays in 1902)
You're lambasting them for not doing that. I wasn't happy with Vince's or Moeen's shot selection but given the pressure they're under, I can understand it, especially since Cricket People have been saying our batsmen should be finding a way of not being tied down by Lyons (Moeen) and Vince was selected to give some momentum to our innings at no.3 | |
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| Ashes Thread on 05:02 - Dec 8 with 1769 views | DiddyDave |
Mmmm, the more things change (different players,different years), the more they stay the same. But let`s not forget, it wasn`t that long ago that England came over here and walloped the Aussies 3-1 from memory,maybe 2011? Cook,Strauss and the South African bloke at number 3 give the Aussie bowlers a right belting,so it shows England can do it,but probably not this series now. |  | | |
| Ashes Thread on 06:26 - Dec 8 with 1760 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 23:59 - Dec 7 by D_Alien |
That's not in question. What is in question is whether England should've achieved the tenth highest fourth innings total for victory in test history, under conditions of intense scrutiny (I doubt the media were playing constant replays in 1902)
You're lambasting them for not doing that. I wasn't happy with Vince's or Moeen's shot selection but given the pressure they're under, I can understand it, especially since Cricket People have been saying our batsmen should be finding a way of not being tied down by Lyons (Moeen) and Vince was selected to give some momentum to our innings at no.3 |
My criticism was more in the way they folded so quickly on the final day, and falling so short, not so much the failure to win. They are International standard sport stars, so should be able to withstand a level of media scrutiny, and have a level of technical ability to at least get closer to the target. In sport, records get broken, or come under threat all the time, so it would not be a surprise if in the next test, one of the teams manages to break some kind of record, whether that will be a run chase, low score, or some other . That’s the nature of sport. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 06:43 - Dec 8 with 1754 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 05:02 - Dec 8 by DiddyDave |
Mmmm, the more things change (different players,different years), the more they stay the same. But let`s not forget, it wasn`t that long ago that England came over here and walloped the Aussies 3-1 from memory,maybe 2011? Cook,Strauss and the South African bloke at number 3 give the Aussie bowlers a right belting,so it shows England can do it,but probably not this series now. |
Absolutely. We had more quality in our team especially our batting, but your point shows what can be done, when players play to the best of their abilities, or at least close to the abilities. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 06:47 - Dec 8 with 1749 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 22:38 - Dec 7 by mingthemerciless |
There's an interesting stat in my paper today.
English batsmen have made many more 50's per match in the last two years than any other team, but fewer 100's per match than most of them. Our players have made 100 fifties but only twenty of those innings have been turned into centuries. Only Bangladesh has a worse conversion rate. [Post edited 8 Dec 2017 9:17]
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Worrying stat that is. Is it lack of application, or concentration? Or do we just have more bad luck than every other test team, except Bangladesh? | |
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| Ashes Thread on 08:14 - Dec 8 with 1719 views | nordenblue |
| Ashes Thread on 22:22 - Dec 7 by 1mark1 |
And why would that be?
Since that thread, he has played well, and I have myself praised him on this MB. |
Or maybe, he actually played quite well before your ridiculous comment too about him not being "good enough".
On the otherhand he may have simply read the thread and just upped his performance accordingly...  | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 08:15 - Dec 8 with 1719 views | dingdangblue |
An Ashes test in Australia is most probably one of the toughest tests for an English batsman - I'm sure I heard on the radio the other day that Vince,Stoneman and Malan don't have a test century between them? Surely this is a first for an England touring side in Australia? |  |
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| Ashes Thread on 09:16 - Dec 8 with 1689 views | D_Alien |
| Ashes Thread on 06:26 - Dec 8 by 1mark1 |
My criticism was more in the way they folded so quickly on the final day, and falling so short, not so much the failure to win. They are International standard sport stars, so should be able to withstand a level of media scrutiny, and have a level of technical ability to at least get closer to the target. In sport, records get broken, or come under threat all the time, so it would not be a surprise if in the next test, one of the teams manages to break some kind of record, whether that will be a run chase, low score, or some other . That’s the nature of sport. |
So let's have a look at the basis for your criticism
Woakes - feathered a delivery from Hazlewood that would've had any batsman in the world struggling. Great bowling, no criticism of Woakes
Root - nicked a delivery from Hazlewood that would've had any batsman in the world struggling. Great bowling, no criticism of Root
With that, the odds lengthened from a possibility of victory to extremely unlikely
Ali fell attempting to sweep in an effort to avoid getting bogged down by Lyons, which Cricket People were telling our batsmen - especially our left-handers - to try and counter
Overton - took a severe blow to the ribcage off Cummins at 90mph, something he's not faced before, and carried on until beaten by another great delivery
The result not in doubt by this stage
Broad - beaten by Starc with the new ball
Bairstow - last man out and did Anderson a favour by slamming a gorgeous cover drive then getting out to prevent Starc from having Jimmy in his sights with the new ball
Disappointing though the result was, we lost the game in the first two days, not on the final morning. Your criticism on the basis you've stated is entirely unfounded, and no-one recognises that we need to up our game more than me | |
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| Ashes Thread on 09:26 - Dec 8 with 1680 views | mingthemerciless |
| Ashes Thread on 06:47 - Dec 8 by 1mark1 |
Worrying stat that is. Is it lack of application, or concentration? Or do we just have more bad luck than every other test team, except Bangladesh? |
We lack players who are accumulators of runs. Our batsmen don't know how to play 5 day cricket anymore. They panic if an over goes by without scoring. | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 15:12 - Dec 8 with 1587 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 08:14 - Dec 8 by nordenblue |
Or maybe, he actually played quite well before your ridiculous comment too about him not being "good enough".
On the otherhand he may have simply read the thread and just upped his performance accordingly... |
The only ridiculous thing is that someone is coming on here and still whining on about what someone else said on another totally different thread, weeks ago.
It’s a matter of opinion whether mine and others views on Calvin Andrew , or indeed any subject are “ridiculous “ or not. You seem to be very defensive of Calvin. What are you, his agent, family member, etc?
Maybe his better performances are due to being played in a position more suited to his style of play.
You , yet again haven’t answered the original question, as to why I would be unhappy about Calvin doing well. I repeat again, I am very pleased when any player does well, as well as when the team do well. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 16:17 - Dec 8 with 1571 views | nordenblue |
| Ashes Thread on 15:12 - Dec 8 by 1mark1 |
The only ridiculous thing is that someone is coming on here and still whining on about what someone else said on another totally different thread, weeks ago.
It’s a matter of opinion whether mine and others views on Calvin Andrew , or indeed any subject are “ridiculous “ or not. You seem to be very defensive of Calvin. What are you, his agent, family member, etc?
Maybe his better performances are due to being played in a position more suited to his style of play.
You , yet again haven’t answered the original question, as to why I would be unhappy about Calvin doing well. I repeat again, I am very pleased when any player does well, as well as when the team do well. |
Point me to where I'm whining,yet merely stating a fact that some people continually whine and post absolute nonsense without basing it on anything factual,you continue to excell at it...
Answering your other question,I'm neither Calvins agent or family member just very appreciative of any player that gives 110% when crossing the white line,rather than base an opinion on things I've read...or indeed heard..
You'd love him to disappoint just to back your ridiculous original view up, while continually getting your knickers in a twist over not very much..... any more points you require clearing up fire away? | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 16:41 - Dec 8 with 1555 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 16:17 - Dec 8 by nordenblue |
Point me to where I'm whining,yet merely stating a fact that some people continually whine and post absolute nonsense without basing it on anything factual,you continue to excell at it...
Answering your other question,I'm neither Calvins agent or family member just very appreciative of any player that gives 110% when crossing the white line,rather than base an opinion on things I've read...or indeed heard..
You'd love him to disappoint just to back your ridiculous original view up, while continually getting your knickers in a twist over not very much..... any more points you require clearing up fire away? |
The fact that you post about an issue from weeks ago on a totally unconnected thread, shows you are just a moaning whinger. I haven’t continued to post about Calvin, just responded to your pathetic crap on a post nothing to do with Calvin.
You don’t seem to keep going on about other players as much as Calvin, but anyway I also respect any player who puts in a lot of effort, however that’s what I expect from those that are employed by the club to play.
A totally thick, stupid, ignorant thing to say that I would want ANY player to fail, as I want just as much as anyone , the team to succeed , and if that means being proven wrong, then brilliant.
I am presuming that you have NEVER criticised any player, or doubted their ability, seeing as though you keep bitching on about me commenting about Calvin Andrew that I did, on a thread about Calvin. I am presuming you are just the perfect Dale fan, Season Ticket holder etc, etc., seeing as though you defend all the players from any criticism and questions regarding their ability. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 16:43 - Dec 8 with 1549 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 09:16 - Dec 8 by D_Alien |
So let's have a look at the basis for your criticism
Woakes - feathered a delivery from Hazlewood that would've had any batsman in the world struggling. Great bowling, no criticism of Woakes
Root - nicked a delivery from Hazlewood that would've had any batsman in the world struggling. Great bowling, no criticism of Root
With that, the odds lengthened from a possibility of victory to extremely unlikely
Ali fell attempting to sweep in an effort to avoid getting bogged down by Lyons, which Cricket People were telling our batsmen - especially our left-handers - to try and counter
Overton - took a severe blow to the ribcage off Cummins at 90mph, something he's not faced before, and carried on until beaten by another great delivery
The result not in doubt by this stage
Broad - beaten by Starc with the new ball
Bairstow - last man out and did Anderson a favour by slamming a gorgeous cover drive then getting out to prevent Starc from having Jimmy in his sights with the new ball
Disappointing though the result was, we lost the game in the first two days, not on the final morning. Your criticism on the basis you've stated is entirely unfounded, and no-one recognises that we need to up our game more than me |
Fair enough, most wickets down to their bowlers’ skill rather than any failings by the batsmen. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 17:44 - Dec 8 with 1527 views | nordenblue |
| Ashes Thread on 16:41 - Dec 8 by 1mark1 |
The fact that you post about an issue from weeks ago on a totally unconnected thread, shows you are just a moaning whinger. I haven’t continued to post about Calvin, just responded to your pathetic crap on a post nothing to do with Calvin.
You don’t seem to keep going on about other players as much as Calvin, but anyway I also respect any player who puts in a lot of effort, however that’s what I expect from those that are employed by the club to play.
A totally thick, stupid, ignorant thing to say that I would want ANY player to fail, as I want just as much as anyone , the team to succeed , and if that means being proven wrong, then brilliant.
I am presuming that you have NEVER criticised any player, or doubted their ability, seeing as though you keep bitching on about me commenting about Calvin Andrew that I did, on a thread about Calvin. I am presuming you are just the perfect Dale fan, Season Ticket holder etc, etc., seeing as though you defend all the players from any criticism and questions regarding their ability. |
You undeservedly label players you've not seen anything of for months not good enough and I'm the moaning whinger,that makes sense yes...
You spectacularly presume very wrong yet again,I've voiced my opinion on various players abilities on here, but generally do so after watching their performances for myself not from something I've heard or read about...nor am I a current season ticket holder for various reasons so again you presume pretty inaccurately....
I'll leave people to post about the cricket now on this thread as I've made my point, people can see you for what you are on this thread alone...with all your presumptions | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 17:54 - Dec 8 with 1521 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 17:44 - Dec 8 by nordenblue |
You undeservedly label players you've not seen anything of for months not good enough and I'm the moaning whinger,that makes sense yes...
You spectacularly presume very wrong yet again,I've voiced my opinion on various players abilities on here, but generally do so after watching their performances for myself not from something I've heard or read about...nor am I a current season ticket holder for various reasons so again you presume pretty inaccurately....
I'll leave people to post about the cricket now on this thread as I've made my point, people can see you for what you are on this thread alone...with all your presumptions |
But I haven’t whinged or criticised ANY player on this forum, since the Calvin thread. I have only responded to your bitching of me, on this thread, that you may have finally realised has nothing to do with Calvin Andrew.
Glad to know , you will now concentrate on sticking to the subject of the thread, bye. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 21:49 - Dec 8 with 1475 views | damon791 |
| Ashes Thread on 17:54 - Dec 8 by 1mark1 |
But I haven’t whinged or criticised ANY player on this forum, since the Calvin thread. I have only responded to your bitching of me, on this thread, that you may have finally realised has nothing to do with Calvin Andrew.
Glad to know , you will now concentrate on sticking to the subject of the thread, bye. |
I’m on 1mark1’s side on this our batsmen (bar root) are atrocious at building a high score maybe down to 20 20 cricket, the way they batted in the first innings was shocking and they had no chance to come back from 200 plus down.
They are just not good enough when the chips are down and bar stokes and root there is no fight in the whole team batting wise, just down right poor imo. | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 21:58 - Dec 8 with 1462 views | D_Alien |
| Ashes Thread on 21:49 - Dec 8 by damon791 |
I’m on 1mark1’s side on this our batsmen (bar root) are atrocious at building a high score maybe down to 20 20 cricket, the way they batted in the first innings was shocking and they had no chance to come back from 200 plus down.
They are just not good enough when the chips are down and bar stokes and root there is no fight in the whole team batting wise, just down right poor imo. |
On his side? That wasn't his point, which was about the final day at Adelaide
It's an absolute mundanity to protest about batsmen not being able to build test innings | |
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| Ashes Thread on 23:08 - Dec 8 with 1422 views | Dale92 |
I understand 1mark1's feeling. Its a situation weve been i before on previous tours not only in Australia, India and SA are others. The issue is really that are our top 3 cant stay in long enougg to allow the players weve got at 6,7,8 to play their game. I do think bar the whole Stokes thing, this is probably are best team and thats an issue for the ECB. The world of cricket that our lower order batsman have grown up in is a T/20 and 50 over format, due to our lack of success over the years in this area.
Cooks form has been horundous for a player of his quality the last 18months and you cant blame a rotating partner because he should have the expierence to deal with that by now. He looks like a rabbit in headlights out there. Roots failure to c9nvert pretty 50s are gettingannoying, he doesnt reset and go for daddy hundreds like Goochie always said | |
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| Ashes Thread on 09:49 - Dec 14 with 1240 views | D_Alien |
Get in Malan!
Rode his luck a couple of times but looks the real deal
150+ partnership with Bairstow | |
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| Ashes Thread on 09:59 - Dec 14 with 1222 views | Nigeriamark |
| Ashes Thread on 09:49 - Dec 14 by D_Alien |
Get in Malan!
Rode his luck a couple of times but looks the real deal
150+ partnership with Bairstow |
Best day by far & desperately needed. Really need to push beyond 400+ to have a good chance of winning and get real momentum for the next 2 games. A draw is no good,
A major collapse tomorrow undoes all the work done today so need the tail to try to hang around while we still have decent batters there |  | | |
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