| England Squad 14:09 - May 16 with 10937 views | simmo |
Goalkeepers: Butland, Pickford, Pope
Defenders: Alexander-Arnold, Cahill, Delph, Jones, Maguire, Rose, Stones, Trippier, Walker, Young.
Midfielders: Alli, Dier, Henderson, Lingard, Loftus-Cheek.
Forwards: Kane, Rashford, Sterling, Vardy, Welbeck
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| England Squad on 15:34 - May 16 with 2787 views | LythamR |
| England Squad on 15:24 - May 16 by Tonto |
usually around this time of the football calandar, there is a right old hoo ha as the Englnd manager relesaes his squad (remember the time Gzza was left out?)
This time, there is a bit of debate about Shelvey and the 3rd reserve keeper. Whic either suggests Southgate has got it pretty much spot on or no one cares anymore. |
No Rooney, No Lmpard, No RM No Hart
Whats not to like
Personally i would have liked to see Wilshire in, I cant get excited by Loftus-Cheek . but other than that nothing really contentious. |  | | |
| England Squad on 15:36 - May 16 with 2779 views | Mick_S |
| England Squad on 15:21 - May 16 by rsonist |
Rose has been awful though. Bertrand deserved the call.
Clearly we're playing five defenders every game - Walker will be CB again.
Would absolutely have given Welbeck's place to Solanke, Lookman, Sancho, Calvert-Lewin etc never mind Austin of course.
Likewise Cahill for Dunk, Mawson, Lascelles.
Gareth's cut deep but still didn't go far enough. |
Mawson having a minor operation, so unnavailable. I'd have liked to see him out there, too. |  |
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| England Squad on 15:43 - May 16 with 2743 views | stevec |
And how did he get picked |  | | |
| England Squad on 15:45 - May 16 with 2732 views | Mick_S |
| England Squad on 15:43 - May 16 by stevec |
And how did he get picked |
Maybe we're going to end up...
Nah, can't do it. | |
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| England Squad on 15:46 - May 16 with 2722 views | kensalriser |
Wellbeck's 15 in 37 for England, which isn't bad even if most of them weren't exactly against the giants of international football. |  |
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| England Squad on 15:56 - May 16 with 2680 views | paulparker |
| England Squad on 15:26 - May 16 by Northernr |
Or the pool has shrunk to such an extent that there's not much of a choice to make. |
we have been unlucky with injuries as well, Ox, Winks Lallana could have fit that role
we also have Foden & Cook who in the next few years could hopefully make the breakthrough , its a shame Ward -prowse was out of form this season as he is a loverly little player |  |
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| England Squad on 15:56 - May 16 with 2678 views | stevec |
| England Squad on 15:45 - May 16 by Mick_S |
Maybe we're going to end up...
Nah, can't do it. |
In that group, they could pick you or me and still come top. | | | |
| England Squad on 16:20 - May 16 with 2639 views | loftinspace |
Decent squad. Southgates main problem has always been lack of width in the final third, this dates back to Villa days. May explain why he's covered himself in that department. Welbeck is such a confidence player that he's always gonna be a punt. Otherwise tidy looking piece of paper. |  | | |
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| England Squad on 16:38 - May 16 with 2602 views | traininvain |
| England Squad on 15:56 - May 16 by stevec |
In that group, they could pick you or me and still come top. |
Think you might be underestimating Belgium!
That said, we might be better off finishing 2nd if it means we avoid Colombia. |  | | |
| England Squad on 16:46 - May 16 with 2587 views | Antti_Heinola |
| England Squad on 14:16 - May 16 by paulparker |
Why so many Defenders ?
don't get me wrong I like Trent alexander Arnold but an attacking place should have gone to either Grealish, Sancho, Lookman or Sessagnon that feels like a place wasted to me
Still fair play to southgate though he hasnt picked the same old, same old , he hasn't picked injury prone players or players who haven't performed , we have a decent chance now |
I guess he's not such an FA yes man then mate? The quiet reformer.
Always think it's a bit pointless debating places 20-23, because they're so unlikely to even get game time, let alone make a genuine impact. I saw Lookman at charlton and he was class, but not seen much since. Grealish is ok, but nowhere near international class. Sessegnon is really exciting, but did very little against Derby in either match - they shackled him well. A World Cup tournament at the end of a very long season for him I don't think would do him any good. Two years time, yes.
But one thing I totally disagree on paul - 'we have a decent chance' - at what? Getting out the group? Yes. Beyond that - QFs would, as usual, be a good performance. Absolutely zero chance of winning it. |  |
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| England Squad on 17:00 - May 16 with 2555 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| England Squad on 15:34 - May 16 by LythamR |
No Rooney, No Lmpard, No RM No Hart
Whats not to like
Personally i would have liked to see Wilshire in, I cant get excited by Loftus-Cheek . but other than that nothing really contentious. |
Loftus Cheek has looked good every time I have seen him this season. |  | | |
| England Squad on 17:01 - May 16 with 2553 views | bob566 |
think these guys will win the whole thing. Never knew Leroy Sane was German. Always assumed he was French.
Bernd Leno, Manuel Neuer, Marc-Andre ter Stegen, Kevin Trapp, Jerome Boateng, Matthias Ginter, Jonas Hector, Mats Hummels, Joshua Kimmich, Marvin Plattenhardt, Antonio Rudiger, Niklas Sule, Jonathan Tah, Julian Brandt, Julian Draxler, Mario Gomez, Leon Goretzka, Ilkay Gundogan, Sami Khedira, Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller, Mesut Ozil, Nils Petersen, Marco Reus, Sebastian Rudy, Leroy Sane, Timo Werner | | | |
| England Squad on 18:03 - May 16 with 2489 views | qprd |
its really sad that these are the best central midfielders and centerbacks that England can produce at the moment. I rate Maguire very highly, but a lot to ask of a guy with so little international experience. stones is a great passer, but not sure butland/cahill are going to want the ball on the floor under pressure from stones who has been trained to never punt it long.... also a bit error prone for my liking
Southgate wont do it, but id like to see:
Butland
Walker-Stones-Cahill-Rose
Henderson-Dier (Dier dropping to CB when Walker/Rose get forward)
Sterling-Alli-Rashford
Kane
In reality, I think Southgate is going with the wingback system, which is pointless when it involves moving the best RB in the premier league to rcb | | | |
| England Squad on 18:31 - May 16 with 2476 views | HAYESBOY |
Would have taken Wiltshire over Loftus Cheek but other than that it is about right IMO. |  |
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| England Squad on 19:45 - May 16 with 2410 views | dannyblue |
| England Squad on 18:03 - May 16 by qprd |
its really sad that these are the best central midfielders and centerbacks that England can produce at the moment. I rate Maguire very highly, but a lot to ask of a guy with so little international experience. stones is a great passer, but not sure butland/cahill are going to want the ball on the floor under pressure from stones who has been trained to never punt it long.... also a bit error prone for my liking
Southgate wont do it, but id like to see:
Butland
Walker-Stones-Cahill-Rose
Henderson-Dier (Dier dropping to CB when Walker/Rose get forward)
Sterling-Alli-Rashford
Kane
In reality, I think Southgate is going with the wingback system, which is pointless when it involves moving the best RB in the premier league to rcb |
Astonishing! I was doodling around and that's almost exactly the team I came up with. I just had Vardy in for Rashford and probably wouldn't have chosen Butland but not because of any great conviction. I think we have the players to succeed in the spurs style. Sold defensive four in the middle, fast wing backs pushing up, press from the front. |  | | |
| England Squad on 23:48 - May 16 with 2304 views | PeterHucker |
I think it's the best squad he could've picked under the circumstances.
Shelvey is too much a liability and none of the other players like him anyway.
Jack Wiltshire peaked years ago.
The biggest problem for England is Lallana being injured because he's arguably been England's best player in the last couple of years.
We should start with both Vardy and Kane but we definitely won't.
Once we get to the knockout stages we'll do what we usually do: get knocked out as soon as we come up against anybody half decent.
That amazing statistic that always gets mentioned before a major tournament: since 1966 England have only ever won 6 knockout games in major tournaments......
Paraguay (World Cup 1986)
Belgium & Cameroon (World Cup 1990)
Spain (Euro 1996)
Denmark (World Cup 2002)
Ecuador (World Cup 2006) |  | | |
| England Squad on 03:47 - May 17 with 2258 views | ozexile |
| England Squad on 23:48 - May 16 by PeterHucker |
I think it's the best squad he could've picked under the circumstances.
Shelvey is too much a liability and none of the other players like him anyway.
Jack Wiltshire peaked years ago.
The biggest problem for England is Lallana being injured because he's arguably been England's best player in the last couple of years.
We should start with both Vardy and Kane but we definitely won't.
Once we get to the knockout stages we'll do what we usually do: get knocked out as soon as we come up against anybody half decent.
That amazing statistic that always gets mentioned before a major tournament: since 1966 England have only ever won 6 knockout games in major tournaments......
Paraguay (World Cup 1986)
Belgium & Cameroon (World Cup 1990)
Spain (Euro 1996)
Denmark (World Cup 2002)
Ecuador (World Cup 2006) |
Wow rewatch the Iceland game. If that's Wilshere at his peak then I'd hate to see him in a form slump. Isn't he off for his annual 4 weeks in Vegas anyway? | | | |
| England Squad on 08:21 - May 17 with 2182 views | willis1980 |
| England Squad on 17:01 - May 16 by bob566 |
think these guys will win the whole thing. Never knew Leroy Sane was German. Always assumed he was French.
Bernd Leno, Manuel Neuer, Marc-Andre ter Stegen, Kevin Trapp, Jerome Boateng, Matthias Ginter, Jonas Hector, Mats Hummels, Joshua Kimmich, Marvin Plattenhardt, Antonio Rudiger, Niklas Sule, Jonathan Tah, Julian Brandt, Julian Draxler, Mario Gomez, Leon Goretzka, Ilkay Gundogan, Sami Khedira, Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller, Mesut Ozil, Nils Petersen, Marco Reus, Sebastian Rudy, Leroy Sane, Timo Werner |
It’ll be interesting to see what happens re. Özil and Gündogan, since the Erdogan meeting in London and Özils alleged refusal to sing the national Anthem there have been calls for them to be dropped from the side by some of the press and public. I doubt Özil would be missed to be honest, Gündogans absence would be a different story | | | |
| England Squad on 09:10 - May 17 with 2151 views | GroveR |
I'd fancy Reus for golden boot but Germany's group has strong teams. |  | | |
| England Squad on 10:23 - May 17 with 2084 views | derbyhoop |
Difficult to quibble given the paucity of options.
Is Smalling injured? If not, I'd have taken him ahead of Cahill.
They'll probably, not definitely, get out of the group but that's likely to be it. |  |
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| England Squad on 11:50 - May 17 with 2050 views | simmo |
| England Squad on 10:23 - May 17 by derbyhoop |
Difficult to quibble given the paucity of options.
Is Smalling injured? If not, I'd have taken him ahead of Cahill.
They'll probably, not definitely, get out of the group but that's likely to be it. |
Definitely would have taken Lascelles myself, ahead of Cahill but definitely ahead of Smalling. | |
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| England Squad on 11:54 - May 17 with 2045 views | simmo |
I like this formation and system, especially for the first few games. Dier pusing into midfield when we're in possession and Loftus-Cheek supporting the attacks, or staying where he is and letting Walker bomb on to overload the right. Ideally we'd like a better / more proven version of Loftus-Cheek for that position but the fact he has played variations of DM/CM/AM means he shouldn't be exposed in or put of possession.
Against Belgium I'd have something a little more conservative with counter attacking and pace as the priority (you're not going to get much change out of Alderwiereld and Vertonghen with crosses, etc). Something like this.
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| England Squad on 12:39 - May 17 with 2011 views | ngbqpr |
| England Squad on 16:46 - May 16 by Antti_Heinola |
I guess he's not such an FA yes man then mate? The quiet reformer.
Always think it's a bit pointless debating places 20-23, because they're so unlikely to even get game time, let alone make a genuine impact. I saw Lookman at charlton and he was class, but not seen much since. Grealish is ok, but nowhere near international class. Sessegnon is really exciting, but did very little against Derby in either match - they shackled him well. A World Cup tournament at the end of a very long season for him I don't think would do him any good. Two years time, yes.
But one thing I totally disagree on paul - 'we have a decent chance' - at what? Getting out the group? Yes. Beyond that - QFs would, as usual, be a good performance. Absolutely zero chance of winning it. |
Good point, I read an article (sorry can't remember where) saying that in the last few tournos, an average of around 12.6 of the 23 had game time.
Odds on 9 or 10 of those named won't even get on the pitch for 5 minutes.
Personally I'd like to have seen one of Shelvey (much improved disciplinary record over last 6 months, arguably Rafa has sorted him out) or Wilshere (proved his fitness this season)...but I suspect the system he's looking to play isn't reliant on a player like that.
Guessing he's going for a dynamic Liverpool style front 3 with midfield solidity behind them.
Would have liked to see Lascelles ahead of Cahill.
Doubt Welbeck will see much game time...but his England scoring record is decent...and in terms of defending from the front, he'll work his socks off in the event we're trying to close out a game |  |
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| England Squad on 12:47 - May 17 with 2008 views | Toast_R |
I'm rather perplexed that the England page of my Panini Sticker Album needs about 10 amendments. |  | | |
| England Squad on 12:53 - May 17 with 2004 views | bob566 |
Cahill is absolute gash and that's not a dig because he plays for them. He's terrible. Stones I'm not convinced either. | | | |
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