| Seven gone from Labour 10:28 - Feb 18 with 21814 views | DWQPR |
Three more than went to form the SDP back in 1981. Interesting times for the Labour Party and for politics in general. |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 18:57 - Feb 19 with 2204 views | hubble |
| Seven gone from Labour on 21:42 - Feb 18 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
As lovely as they make it all sound, they have no chance same as the Liberals |
The Insignificant Seven |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 19:13 - Feb 19 with 2179 views | Boston |
Famous Belgians hmm...
Tin Tin
Captain Haddock
Professor Cuthbert Calculus
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| Seven gone from Labour on 19:35 - Feb 19 with 2148 views | johncharles |
| Seven gone from Labour on 13:48 - Feb 19 by plasmahoop |
A lot of it is social media based, abuse aimed at lucianaberger etc. She also received death threats before the party conference. Corbyn refused to condemn, and then there was the Palestinian terrorist wreath laying incident. The party has now adopted the international definition of anti semitism, but reluctantly.
If you Google Labour party anti semitism there is quite a lot there, explaining it much better than me |
Diane has received much more and much worse abuse than Berger. Didn’t hear Luciana spring to her defence. The wreath laying stuff was nonsense. The terrorist in question was buried in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY. Labour Party has adopted the international definition of antisemitism, the Conservative Party have not. |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 20:50 - Feb 19 with 2100 views | Rangersw12 |
| Seven gone from Labour on 19:35 - Feb 19 by johncharles |
Diane has received much more and much worse abuse than Berger. Didn’t hear Luciana spring to her defence. The wreath laying stuff was nonsense. The terrorist in question was buried in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY. Labour Party has adopted the international definition of antisemitism, the Conservative Party have not. |
Why can't you just say its wrong rather than this whataboutery nonsense
Any form of discrimination/abuse is wrong regardless of what "side" Is doing it [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 21:04]
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| Seven gone from Labour on 21:53 - Feb 19 with 2064 views | plasmahoop |
| Seven gone from Labour on 19:35 - Feb 19 by johncharles |
Diane has received much more and much worse abuse than Berger. Didn’t hear Luciana spring to her defence. The wreath laying stuff was nonsense. The terrorist in question was buried in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY. Labour Party has adopted the international definition of antisemitism, the Conservative Party have not. |
Don't agree with the abuse Diane Abbott got either, but that was mainly from the daily mail end. Bergers abuse was from within the party | | | |
| Seven gone from Labour on 22:46 - Feb 19 with 2022 views | colinallcars |
An eigth one has quit now, there will be a few more I reckon |  | | |
| Seven gone from Labour on 22:49 - Feb 19 with 2007 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Seven gone from Labour on 22:46 - Feb 19 by colinallcars |
An eigth one has quit now, there will be a few more I reckon |
Joan Ryan but another who refuses to have a by-election
who served as a minister under Tony Blair.. you don't say [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 22:55]
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| Seven gone from Labour on 10:55 - Feb 20 with 1901 views | loftboy |
Surely this is going to split the vote in their constituencies allowing the tories in ? |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 10:57 - Feb 20 with 1898 views | robith |
| Seven gone from Labour on 10:55 - Feb 20 by loftboy |
Surely this is going to split the vote in their constituencies allowing the tories in ? |
All historic evidence suggests so.
The fact that they've said they're only going to contest marginal seats indicates that all they actually want is another Tory govt |  | | |
| Seven gone from Labour on 11:03 - Feb 20 with 1873 views | robith |
A lot of Joan Ryan's CLP didn't want her back after the expenses scandal, and a load of my friends went door knocking in her constituency in 2017 before she posted that letter slagging Corbyn. They're pretty upset today.
Still no bye election and dodges her inevitable deselection. Nice little earner for her. Can focus her time on her main hobby of editing her wikipedia page
Good riddance | | | |
| Seven gone from Labour on 11:08 - Feb 20 with 1853 views | CamberleyR |
| Seven gone from Labour on 10:55 - Feb 20 by loftboy |
Surely this is going to split the vote in their constituencies allowing the tories in ? |
Yep. Just what happened in the 1983 GE which meant Thatcher got a majority of nearly 150. |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 11:18 - Feb 20 with 1823 views | robith |
Can't believe Anna Soubury has actually committed to something tbh
How is she going to do little anti Brexit speeches for the news and then vote for the government's policies anyway now? | | | |
| Seven gone from Labour on 11:50 - Feb 20 with 1777 views | TacticalR |
| Seven gone from Labour on 18:32 - Feb 18 by ElHoop |
The old SDP might have failed to achieve anything much, but they did get rid of Foot by taking away enough Labour support to give the Tories a landslide in 1983.
However the SDP had one or two sharp tools like David Owen and this lot on the face of it don't have anyone to front up in an election campaign. I guess that Watson is the key man here - he could make a massive difference if he jumps. A bit of a warning shot fired by him earlier if you ask me:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/why-i-do-not-see-those-who-have-resigned-t [Post edited 18 Feb 2019 18:39]
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I have been reading John Newsinger's recent book on Orwell and the Left and came across this interesting passage about Foot:
'One cannot help but wonder what Orwell would have made of the fact that in 1951, Foot was to secretly approach his good friend the ferociously anti-Labour reactionary Lord Beaverbrook, proprietor of the Daily Express and Evening Standard, for a subsidy to save Tribune from closure and himself from bankruptcy and the likely end of his political career. Beaverbrook, it is worth reminding ourselves, has been described in one of Foot's biographies as having had a wholly 'malign' influence on British journalism, while the Daily Express 'set an example of...unscrupulous content which has dogged Fleet Street ever since'. During the 1945 general election campaign it had carried front page headlines such as 'GESTAPO IN BRITAIN IF LABOUR WIN and THE NATIONAL SOCIALISTS'. The paper focussed on the systematic slandering of Harold Laski or 'Gauleiter Laski' as he was called, arguing that this left-wing academic was the man who would really be running the country if Labour won. This hostility was sustained throughout the lifetime of the Labour government. In the 1950 general election, while Bevan became the main focus of Beaverbrook's attacks, the Evening Standard found time to smear John Strachey, the new Minister of War, as having links with Communist spies. Foot denounced this smear in the pages of Tribune as worse even than those carried in the Kelmsley press. Lord Kelmsley promptly sued the paper which found itself facing imminent bankruptcy. Incredibly, Foot turned to Beaverbrook for a financial bail-out. The Daily Express secretly gave Tribune £3000 to keep it afloat, something that only came to light in 1972, when A. J. P. Taylor published his biography of Beaverbrook. Beaverbrook also provided Foot and his wife with a cottage rent-free in the grounds of his Cherkley estate. Foot's devotion to the man was such that he described him on one occasion as a 'second father'. Presumably this is what 'practical politics' was all about. It has to be said that if the viciously anti-Labour Daily Express subsidy to Tribune had come out at the time, Foot's political credibility on the Left would have been altogether destroyed. He, on the other hand, later wrote that 'this story...reflects considerable merit on Beaverbrook and Tribune'.
One of Orwell's criticisms of Tribune was its enthusiastic support for Zionism. This had, in fact, been official Labour Party policy since even before the Balfour Declaration of 1917, regularly reiterated at Party conferences. In the spring of 1944, the Party had issued a statement on 'The International Post-War Settlement' which had called both for the removal of the Arab population from Palestine and the possible extension of what would be the Zionist state's borders into Egypt, Transjordan and Syria. This document was adopted as Party policy at the December 1944 Party conference. Indeed the Speaker's Notes that the Party issued for the 1945 general election called for Zionist settlers to be allowed into Palestine 'in such numbers as to become a majority' while the Arabs should 'be encouraged to move out as the Jews moved in'. The Attlee government was to repudiate this policy once it took office for fear of its destabilising effect throughout the Middle East, but Tribune remained strongly in support of it. At one point, Bevan actually considered resigning over the issue. The most vehement and extreme advocate of the Zionist cause in Labour's ranks was Richard Crossman, the man who Orwell held primarily responsible for Tribune's decline. Among the grounds on which the Tribunites justified their support for Zionism was that a Zionist state would be a reliable military ally, providing Britain with military bases from which to safeguard the British Empire's Middle Eastern interests. Orwell was completely opposed to Zionism which he regarded, as we have seen, as an example of settler colonialism imposed on a native population. According to Tosco Fyvel, himself a staunch Zionist, as far as Orwell was concerned 'the Palestine Arabs were coloured Asians, the Palestine Jews the equivalent of the white rulers in India and Burma'.'
Hope Lies in the Proles - George Orwell and the Left (2018), John Newsinger |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 12:05 - Feb 20 with 1749 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Anna Soubry, no loss to the Tories
A horrible Woman on so many levels
Are they having by-elections? | |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 12:09 - Feb 20 with 1742 views | plasmahoop |
| Seven gone from Labour on 12:05 - Feb 20 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Anna Soubry, no loss to the Tories
A horrible Woman on so many levels
Are they having by-elections? |
I think they are a loss if they aren't going to vote with the government on anything. (I know nobody is voting with them on brexit.) They are hanging on with the dup anyway, so surely a general election soon which bypasses the need for by-elections. God knows what the result of that would be, both parties look completely unelectable | | | |
| Seven gone from Labour on 12:15 - Feb 20 with 1719 views | colinallcars |
I think if there were a General Election next week, the turnout would be the lowest ever | | | |
| Seven gone from Labour on 12:16 - Feb 20 with 1715 views | TheChef |
| Seven gone from Labour on 10:55 - Feb 20 by loftboy |
Surely this is going to split the vote in their constituencies allowing the tories in ? |
Exactly.
As usual with these things, who's driving it and who benefits? Chances are it is the same group of people. |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 12:39 - Feb 20 with 1674 views | Miss_Terraces |
| Seven gone from Labour on 18:57 - Feb 19 by hubble |
The Insignificant Seven |
The Rufus Brevetts
Supposed to be on the left, spent all the time in the centre. | |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 13:47 - Feb 20 with 1598 views | BklynRanger |
I thought Heidi Allen spoke very well just now I must say. All Anna Soubry did was describe how upset she is about the Tories - how inspiring... |  | | |
| Seven gone from Labour on 13:56 - Feb 20 with 1569 views | derbyhoop |
I may be wrong but their does seem some "Momentum" behind these moves.
8 from Labour - so far
3 Tories - all, avowedly, anti-Brexit.
I suspect there could be quite a few more to come. Timing could be interesting. |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 14:00 - Feb 20 with 1559 views | kensalriser |
Supposedly a majority of MPs are against Brexit. I wonder how many more of them will have the bollox to do something instead of continually allowing the ERG and DUP nutters to call the shots. |  |
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| Seven gone from Labour on 14:29 - Feb 20 with 1532 views | Konk |
| Seven gone from Labour on 13:47 - Feb 20 by BklynRanger |
I thought Heidi Allen spoke very well just now I must say. All Anna Soubry did was describe how upset she is about the Tories - how inspiring... |
I'm a lifelong Labour supporter, but struggling at the moment because as much as I dislike the current government and loathe the DUP, I can't muster any enthusiasm for Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott holding office. There's an argument they couldn't do a worse job than the current shambles, but depressingly, I'm not sure I actually believe that to be true. And more importantly, I don't think enough people in the key marginal constituencies believe that to be true either. I would sooner have a Centre-Left party actually in power delivering some of what I want, than a more idealistic Labour party in opposition that celebrates a loss in a GE as though they've achieved something remarkable. Given the state of the government, it's unbelievable that Labour can be getting consistently beaten in the polls. I fear Corbyn and his disciples are delusional and it's they who are condemning the country to further Tory rule.
I don't generally warm to Tory MP's, but these 3 were 3 of the 4-5 that I generally find myself agreeing with when I see them on TV or in print. They seem reasonable to me. Fair play to the 3 of them for having the bottle to follow their convictions. [Post edited 20 Feb 2019 14:32]
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