| General Election Thread 17:46 - May 22 with 124865 views | loftboy |
This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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| General Election Thread on 17:59 - Jul 3 with 1578 views | ted_hendrix |
I'm ready for tomorrow and I've just had two kippers for me tea.
Please use your vote. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 18:02 - Jul 3 with 1574 views | LimehouseR |
| General Election Thread on 14:37 - Jul 3 by Juzzie |
Just done the full survey (all questions) and the result wasn't surprising so at least that gives me confidence of how I intend to vote.
It was interesting to see that most, not all, policies are by-and-large positive ones.
So why is this country in a mess??
I get it that sometimes party's/MP's etc want to strive for certain things but those targets may not be met but not for the want of trying, but when MP's/party's clearly get nowhere near their targets, or even try to, do complete u-turns and so on then there must be some kind of consequence to this.
I remember Andrew Neil asking Liz Truss (before she was PM) what the total number of starter homes built in 2014 was (target was 200,000) and she was struggling to answer and he said "it's easy to remember, it's zero". This is the kind of thing they should be held accountable for because you are winning elections on policies you simply cannot carry out or have no intention to. That's tantamount to simply lying.
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It was also interesting to see from that website that out of 316,000 completed surveys nationally it appears that the following would be the result if everyone voted in that manner;
Lib Dems 26.6%
Green 24.5%
Labour 23.1%
Con 13.6%
Reform 10.4%
SNP 1.2%
Plaid Cymru 0.6%
Clearly this isn't going to happen come Friday (and it is just a small portion of the electorate) so what is wrong? Why is there such a disparity in what people appear to want and how they vote?
As I've mentioned before, love that youtube footage of a reporter asking blue-rinsed ladies in Guilford about certain policies and they all agreed they were good and supported them then the looks on their faces was hilarious when they were told they were Labour policies.
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I did that questionaire based on the policies and was largely Lib Dem and Green. There has been half a million results generated now and it is even more proportionate to Lib Dems and Greens. I think the problem is that there is such an entrenched ideal in the two main parties that anything else is often seen as a waste of time or a 'wasted vote'. When this website clearly shows otherwise.
Out of 50 people who did the questionaire in my current constituency of Harrow West it was about 10% Conservative yet they hold the seat (currently). Go figure. Labour are predicted to win it back but for this election it feels as though people are mainly just thinking 'get the Tories out' so are voting tactically across the board. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 18:06 - Jul 3 with 1562 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 18:02 - Jul 3 by LimehouseR |
I did that questionaire based on the policies and was largely Lib Dem and Green. There has been half a million results generated now and it is even more proportionate to Lib Dems and Greens. I think the problem is that there is such an entrenched ideal in the two main parties that anything else is often seen as a waste of time or a 'wasted vote'. When this website clearly shows otherwise.
Out of 50 people who did the questionaire in my current constituency of Harrow West it was about 10% Conservative yet they hold the seat (currently). Go figure. Labour are predicted to win it back but for this election it feels as though people are mainly just thinking 'get the Tories out' so are voting tactically across the board. |
I did The Times’ version and got Lib Dem which didn’t surprise me but then it’s quite a Lib Dem/Green thing to do in the first place. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 18:42 - Jul 3 with 1470 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 17:44 - Jul 3 by Stainrod |
Well you say you want a better Lib Dem party.
But from what you have said here you basically support Reform, or at least their policies.
If you want unfunded tax cuts and a clampdown on immigration then they are your party with the Tories your second choice (second because they talk about cutting immigration while actually increasing it which makes them the worst of the lot on this issue IMHO because it is so lacking in honesty).
The Lib Dems don't believe tax cuts are currently affordable (and virtually every serious economist agrees with them).
On the economy they would improve the trade deal with Europe so we weren't so restricted in trading with our biggest partner - fixing what you rightly describe as the Tories badly handled withdrawal from the EU.
On immigration they believe in better education and training for British workers to tackle the problem at source. |
That, if I may say so, is a disingenuous response. Where did I say I wanted unfunded tax cuts? You're putting words into my mouth.
Misrepresenting what people have said seems to have been a theme in this thread, and you have form on this, regarding the disgraceful accusation you made about SheffieldHoop.
I will do as I said, tomorrow, and write: 'none of the above' on the ballot paper. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 18:50 - Jul 3 with 1438 views | Discodroids |
| General Election Thread on 18:42 - Jul 3 by hubble |
That, if I may say so, is a disingenuous response. Where did I say I wanted unfunded tax cuts? You're putting words into my mouth.
Misrepresenting what people have said seems to have been a theme in this thread, and you have form on this, regarding the disgraceful accusation you made about SheffieldHoop.
I will do as I said, tomorrow, and write: 'none of the above' on the ballot paper. |
What accusation was that Hubbs? has Sheffield been banned? |  |
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| General Election Thread on 19:55 - Jul 3 with 1315 views | Stainrod |
| General Election Thread on 18:42 - Jul 3 by hubble |
That, if I may say so, is a disingenuous response. Where did I say I wanted unfunded tax cuts? You're putting words into my mouth.
Misrepresenting what people have said seems to have been a theme in this thread, and you have form on this, regarding the disgraceful accusation you made about SheffieldHoop.
I will do as I said, tomorrow, and write: 'none of the above' on the ballot paper. |
I apologise on the un-funded tax cuts, I did not read your post carefully enough.
I don't apologise for the earlier remark as I think it was justified on the basis of a previous post where a link was made between a particular racial group and their supposed propensity to rape. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 20:20 - Jul 3 with 1275 views | TacticalR |
Some random thoughts:
1. Prior to the election I kept asking myself: are we witnessing the crisis of a political party (the Tories), or the crisis of a social system? Most commentators talk as though austerity and decline merely have been lifestyle choices of the Tories.
2. On the whole the people who want to see changes underestimate what will be necessary to make those changes. Many assume that those changes can take place within the existing social order. I felt that quite strongly during the Corbyn craze, but it also applies to ideas like the Johnson's 'levelling up agenda'.
3. We live in very strange times when politicians no longer promise to do anything. In fact they make a great virtue of out not promising to do anything.
4. Gaza. I can't remember an issue like this that has so compromised the ruling class, day after day
a. It has exposed the complete unity of Labour and the Tories in support of Israel, at a time when it appears that the majority are opposed to Israel's actions.
b. There is no longer a safety valve (previously provided by the Labour left) within the major parties. In the past, when there was an apparent left in Labour, people could imagine that somehow that left was going to one day take over Labour and change its policies. That was one of the reasons why the left was tolerated in the Labour Party.
c. Anti-semitism, Labour's weapon of choice against its internal enemies, is crumbling as a credible charge. The beauty of anti-semitism from Starmer's point of view was that you didn't have to get into discussions about Socialism or any aspect of policy, you could just purge without question.
d. Humanitarian intervention has been the Western justification for war for decades. That cover has now been blown. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 20:31 - Jul 3 with 1248 views | TacticalR |
| General Election Thread on 12:58 - May 26 by essextaxiboy |
IMO the most worrying threat to society is illustrated by the recent episode in parliament when the Speaker changed the normal protocol of allowing amendment votes because it was obvious that some MPs had been threatened .
Once you allow non elected , non accountable violent people setting the agenda for a freely elected parliament all this election chat is worthless . |
Come on, that was all about Labour trying to prevent the SNP's motion on Gaza.
In fact the government, not having a clue how to deal with the large pro-Palestinian demonstrations, has tried to encourage violence. This was seen when Home Secretary Suella Braverman tried her 'come and have a go if you're hard enough' to try to get Palestinian marchers to divert to the Cenotaph. The whole thing backfired when the gang of hoolies she summoned ended up fighting with the police at the Cenotaph. | |
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| General Election Thread on 20:51 - Jul 3 with 1170 views | Gus_iom |
| General Election Thread on 20:31 - Jul 3 by TacticalR |
Come on, that was all about Labour trying to prevent the SNP's motion on Gaza.
In fact the government, not having a clue how to deal with the large pro-Palestinian demonstrations, has tried to encourage violence. This was seen when Home Secretary Suella Braverman tried her 'come and have a go if you're hard enough' to try to get Palestinian marchers to divert to the Cenotaph. The whole thing backfired when the gang of hoolies she summoned ended up fighting with the police at the Cenotaph. |
Down voted your previous post by accident, though I certainly didn't agree with it | | | |
| General Election Thread on 21:33 - Jul 3 with 1107 views | E17hoop |
| General Election Thread on 20:20 - Jul 3 by TacticalR |
Some random thoughts:
1. Prior to the election I kept asking myself: are we witnessing the crisis of a political party (the Tories), or the crisis of a social system? Most commentators talk as though austerity and decline merely have been lifestyle choices of the Tories.
2. On the whole the people who want to see changes underestimate what will be necessary to make those changes. Many assume that those changes can take place within the existing social order. I felt that quite strongly during the Corbyn craze, but it also applies to ideas like the Johnson's 'levelling up agenda'.
3. We live in very strange times when politicians no longer promise to do anything. In fact they make a great virtue of out not promising to do anything.
4. Gaza. I can't remember an issue like this that has so compromised the ruling class, day after day
a. It has exposed the complete unity of Labour and the Tories in support of Israel, at a time when it appears that the majority are opposed to Israel's actions.
b. There is no longer a safety valve (previously provided by the Labour left) within the major parties. In the past, when there was an apparent left in Labour, people could imagine that somehow that left was going to one day take over Labour and change its policies. That was one of the reasons why the left was tolerated in the Labour Party.
c. Anti-semitism, Labour's weapon of choice against its internal enemies, is crumbling as a credible charge. The beauty of anti-semitism from Starmer's point of view was that you didn't have to get into discussions about Socialism or any aspect of policy, you could just purge without question.
d. Humanitarian intervention has been the Western justification for war for decades. That cover has now been blown. |
As a Jew, putting the words beauty and anti-semitism is a bit uncomfortable. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 21:53 - Jul 3 with 1043 views | kensalriser |
| General Election Thread on 14:50 - Jul 3 by Bluce_Ree |
Well, f**k.
I fully intended to vote but I haven't posted my vote and so I guess that's that.
None of the local candidates looked right to me. Bunch of c**ts. |
If you change your mind you can take it to the polling station. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 04:57 - Jul 4 with 842 views | FDC |
Happy Managed Democracy Day to all who celebrate |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 05:59 - Jul 4 with 808 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
I'm off to vote in an hour before work. Crayon at the ready to draw a giant phallus across the paper as none of them have earned my vote.
A plague on all their houses. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 06:45 - Jul 4 with 763 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 21:33 - Jul 3 by E17hoop |
As a Jew, putting the words beauty and anti-semitism is a bit uncomfortable. |
Indeed. I wasn’t comfortable voting for someone so pally with Iran along with all Corbyn’s other faults (I still did as I hated Johnson but meh). Starmer has objectively done a great job of turning around a party in the bin into something sensible and electable.
My campaign to have the food stalls outside the Lower Loft stock chicken soup with an option of lokshen or kneidlach enters its 30th season. [Post edited 4 Jul 12:04]
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| General Election Thread on 06:56 - Jul 4 with 756 views | PlanetHonneywood |
When you get to a certain age, you dont need to read the papers, and if you do, you can invariably gleen all you need to know from the headline.
So, what a day for the BBC not to publish the front pages of the UK media! Either they didn't want to or forgot, and I suspect the Sun, Mail, and Express are in a tither. But please tell me that none of them have gone wuth a lightbulb and a picture of Starmer (or Sunak) inside telling us: if this man gets in, would the last person out switch the light off.
Good luck GB and for the love of Marti, can the good folk of Clacton tell Oswald Mosley to f..k off once and for all. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 06:57 - Jul 4 with 753 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 06:56 - Jul 4 by PlanetHonneywood |
When you get to a certain age, you dont need to read the papers, and if you do, you can invariably gleen all you need to know from the headline.
So, what a day for the BBC not to publish the front pages of the UK media! Either they didn't want to or forgot, and I suspect the Sun, Mail, and Express are in a tither. But please tell me that none of them have gone wuth a lightbulb and a picture of Starmer (or Sunak) inside telling us: if this man gets in, would the last person out switch the light off.
Good luck GB and for the love of Marti, can the good folk of Clacton tell Oswald Mosley to f..k off once and for all. |
I don’t believe they can on election day. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 07:42 - Jul 4 with 696 views | dm97 |
Remember there are hundreds of millions of people in the world who don’t get to choose their leaders. Millions who have died for us to go to ballot box and express our voice. Just 150 years ago the vast majority of us on this site, probably all of us, would not have been allowed to vote.
Please use your vote in some capacity (even if that’s spoiling it). With the rise of populism - bordering on fascism - around western democracies this matters.
Use. Your. Vote. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 08:01 - Jul 4 with 633 views | Discodroids |
For what it's worth..
A light breakfast of Smoked kippers and devilled kidneys partaken.
Sudbury yellow needle corduroy trousers and 9oz horn button, welt pocket Hackett blazer deployed.
A Vote for reform Cast.
In all seriousness , I can see us getting 4 million + votes, approx 15% + of the vote share, resulting in 2 to 3 paltry seats. I read today hat the Lib dem's will acheive less than half of that total and yet accrue 50 seats..
Modern day democracy, it's a grotesque victorian freak show for working class scum such as I to imbibe and choke upon. The Bitterest Pill. [Post edited 4 Jul 14:17]
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| General Election Thread on 08:14 - Jul 4 with 614 views | BAWHoops |
| General Election Thread on 20:20 - Jul 3 by TacticalR |
Some random thoughts:
1. Prior to the election I kept asking myself: are we witnessing the crisis of a political party (the Tories), or the crisis of a social system? Most commentators talk as though austerity and decline merely have been lifestyle choices of the Tories.
2. On the whole the people who want to see changes underestimate what will be necessary to make those changes. Many assume that those changes can take place within the existing social order. I felt that quite strongly during the Corbyn craze, but it also applies to ideas like the Johnson's 'levelling up agenda'.
3. We live in very strange times when politicians no longer promise to do anything. In fact they make a great virtue of out not promising to do anything.
4. Gaza. I can't remember an issue like this that has so compromised the ruling class, day after day
a. It has exposed the complete unity of Labour and the Tories in support of Israel, at a time when it appears that the majority are opposed to Israel's actions.
b. There is no longer a safety valve (previously provided by the Labour left) within the major parties. In the past, when there was an apparent left in Labour, people could imagine that somehow that left was going to one day take over Labour and change its policies. That was one of the reasons why the left was tolerated in the Labour Party.
c. Anti-semitism, Labour's weapon of choice against its internal enemies, is crumbling as a credible charge. The beauty of anti-semitism from Starmer's point of view was that you didn't have to get into discussions about Socialism or any aspect of policy, you could just purge without question.
d. Humanitarian intervention has been the Western justification for war for decades. That cover has now been blown. |
This seems like a few thoughts before a rant about why we can't be mean to Jews.
I'd say Gaza has barely been a factor in the election whatsoever. There's a few Independents in inner cities who are standing on a Pro Palestinian platform, but none of them are going to win (maybe Corbyn squeeks it) |  |
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| General Election Thread on 08:25 - Jul 4 with 592 views | FDC |
| General Election Thread on 08:14 - Jul 4 by BAWHoops |
This seems like a few thoughts before a rant about why we can't be mean to Jews.
I'd say Gaza has barely been a factor in the election whatsoever. There's a few Independents in inner cities who are standing on a Pro Palestinian platform, but none of them are going to win (maybe Corbyn squeeks it) |
TR isn't saying it is having a big bearing on the results of the election, he is saying that it is an issue over which there is an enormous disconnect between public opinion and the politicians of our two largest political parties.
Clearly people see giving the Tories an enormous kicking as their number 1 priority, but that doesn't mean that the majority of people are not aware that politicians across the spectrum are complicit in normalising an historic travesty. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 08:35 - Jul 4 with 575 views | LimehouseR |
I noticed that 3 GB tennis players got asked if they were going to be voting today and they all basically said NO and not interested. I wonder how much of that attitude across the country will be going on today? I think we can get so wrapped up in following the latest on the elections and talking within a circle of people who are quite interested but I get the impression there is a huge proportion of our population who are completely apathetic to the whole thing. Which is a shame. I'd imagine we may actually get a broader political debate and be able to put pressure on the government to actually do what they say and not just make empty promises all the time. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 08:44 - Jul 4 with 558 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 08:25 - Jul 4 by FDC |
TR isn't saying it is having a big bearing on the results of the election, he is saying that it is an issue over which there is an enormous disconnect between public opinion and the politicians of our two largest political parties.
Clearly people see giving the Tories an enormous kicking as their number 1 priority, but that doesn't mean that the majority of people are not aware that politicians across the spectrum are complicit in normalising an historic travesty. |
In the age of social media I think it’s easy to mistake a loud whining minority as being representative of a majority. People have far better things to worry about mostly. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 09:06 - Jul 4 with 476 views | 222gers |
Early exit poll at 7.02am shows 'Arry Doolittle of North Battersea voted Tory. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 09:21 - Jul 4 with 440 views | FDC |
| General Election Thread on 08:44 - Jul 4 by Watford_Ranger |
In the age of social media I think it’s easy to mistake a loud whining minority as being representative of a majority. People have far better things to worry about mostly. |
I'm not basing that observation on social media "whining" I'm basing it on the frequent opinion polling on the issue. | | | |
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