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This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
General Election Thread on 22:03 - Jun 28 by colinallcars
Staying up….no not QPR, but since I retired I always stay up until the wee small hours to follow the results. People think I'm bonkers but I'm armed with a selection of fine ales and some of the ol' Scottish wine. Anyone else ?
I do exactly the same mate. I'm on a late on Friday, so don't have work until midday. I love it from 10pm onwards with a few beers at my side. Get that swingometer going!
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General Election Thread on 14:35 - Jun 29 with 1519 views
General Election Thread on 12:07 - Jun 29 by stowmarketrange
Literacy rates are falling according to the Independent,with 30% of 5 year olds falling behind in their expected reading age in 2022/23 compared to only 27% in 2018/19. Gay marriage is hardly something that the tories achieved on their own.Personal allowances have been frozen for 2 years,and are not going to rise for another 3 to 4 years,but we still have the highest tax burden in 75 years. The winter fuel allowance was a necessity,or even more of the population would be in poverty. The furlough scheme saved a lot of jobs,but the amount of money lost in dodgy ppe contracts handed out to their friends cost almost as much.That’s without the money paid out to scammers with bogus companies. I’m not saying that Labour would’ve done much different to what the tories did,but this will the 1st government in history to leave the people worse off than when they took office.
Most services in this country are on their knees and the country is broken.The only people who have benefited from the last 14 years are the mega rich who have seen their wealth increase while the majority of the country has struggled.
You are correct that although The Tories brought forward Gay Marriage legislation it was Blair that paved the way (Baz would contest that he is a Tory anyway )
The furlough scheme paid a higher % of salary for longer than any other European country .
I am not a cheerleader for the Tories , earlier in the thread I posted that I would be voting Labour. I just think you have to accept balance when it factual .
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General Election Thread on 14:39 - Jun 29 with 1523 views
You are correct that although The Tories brought forward Gay Marriage legislation it was Blair that paved the way (Baz would contest that he is a Tory anyway )
The furlough scheme paid a higher % of salary for longer than any other European country .
I am not a cheerleader for the Tories , earlier in the thread I posted that I would be voting Labour. I just think you have to accept balance when it factual .
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Also fair to point out more Tory MPs opposed than backed gay marriage including some well-known today whereas about ten Labour voted for it for every one against.
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General Election Thread on 15:12 - Jun 29 with 1450 views
General Election Thread on 15:04 - Jun 29 by Watford_Ranger
Also fair to point out more Tory MPs opposed than backed gay marriage including some well-known today whereas about ten Labour voted for it for every one against.
Yes , a good point well made ...
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General Election Thread on 15:13 - Jun 29 with 1457 views
You are correct that although The Tories brought forward Gay Marriage legislation it was Blair that paved the way (Baz would contest that he is a Tory anyway )
The furlough scheme paid a higher % of salary for longer than any other European country .
I am not a cheerleader for the Tories , earlier in the thread I posted that I would be voting Labour. I just think you have to accept balance when it factual .
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So personal allowance has gone up £1070 in 9 years dragging even more low paid workers into paying tax for the first time.And that’s a plus point for them?
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General Election Thread on 15:38 - Jun 29 with 1415 views
You are correct that although The Tories brought forward Gay Marriage legislation it was Blair that paved the way (Baz would contest that he is a Tory anyway )
The furlough scheme paid a higher % of salary for longer than any other European country .
I am not a cheerleader for the Tories , earlier in the thread I posted that I would be voting Labour. I just think you have to accept balance when it factual .
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I genuinely dont know, but what's happened to VAT and items subject to it?
Also, there are more things that people have to pay for that weren't there or, costed as much, 14 years ago. For example: people didn't have to pay private companies to provide security for their homes, as the police no longer exist; pay an additional lump on their council tax for elderly care; (Ealing); TV licences for older people were free; tertiary education all spring to mind.
I'm sure there are a whole heap more things that now require people to foot the bill for that they weren't paying for in the past. This is, in effect, passing taxes to people.
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I genuinely dont know, but what's happened to VAT and items subject to it?
Also, there are more things that people have to pay for that weren't there or, costed as much, 14 years ago. For example: people didn't have to pay private companies to provide security for their homes, as the police no longer exist; pay an additional lump on their council tax for elderly care; (Ealing); TV licences for older people were free; tertiary education all spring to mind.
I'm sure there are a whole heap more things that now require people to foot the bill for that they weren't paying for in the past. This is, in effect, passing taxes to people.
General Election Thread on 15:13 - Jun 29 by stowmarketrange
So personal allowance has gone up £1070 in 9 years dragging even more low paid workers into paying tax for the first time.And that’s a plus point for them?
It just appears that they are being held to account for the last 14 years unless it suits to ignore the first 4 or 5 ?
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General Election Thread on 18:51 - Jun 29 with 1224 views
Between 1974 & 1979 there was a higher rate as well, but I've no idea what goods qualified for this.
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To add, in 1993 VAT was extended to domestic fuel bills, car insurance and air travel where previously no VAT was charged. Ken Clarke actually lost the vote on the budget and compromised, with Vat on domestic fuel bills set at 5% instead of the full 17.5%. They had to have a vote of no confidence to get that through.
Smells like a trout farm in here
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General Election Thread on 19:02 - Jun 29 with 1214 views
General Election Thread on 18:51 - Jun 29 by HAYESBOY
To add, in 1993 VAT was extended to domestic fuel bills, car insurance and air travel where previously no VAT was charged. Ken Clarke actually lost the vote on the budget and compromised, with Vat on domestic fuel bills set at 5% instead of the full 17.5%. They had to have a vote of no confidence to get that through.
That must have changed at some point as insurances are exempt from VAT and air travel is zero-rated.
That said, insurance just has Insurance Premium Tax charged instead, so it may as well be VAT, and air passenger duty so....
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General Election Thread on 19:37 - Jun 29 with 1143 views
General Election Thread on 17:35 - Jun 29 by essextaxiboy
It just appears that they are being held to account for the last 14 years unless it suits to ignore the first 4 or 5 ?
But they’ve been in government for 14 years and for the first 8 of those the personal allowance rose by nearly 90%,but the rise for the next 8 is less than 10%. Also,it depends on which report you read about literacy rates.The independent says that literacy rates have fallen since 2017,as does the Guardian. Sorry but I’m not clever enough to do links,but they’re all there on the web to find.
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General Election Thread on 19:45 - Jun 29 with 1126 views
General Election Thread on 19:37 - Jun 29 by stowmarketrange
But they’ve been in government for 14 years and for the first 8 of those the personal allowance rose by nearly 90%,but the rise for the next 8 is less than 10%. Also,it depends on which report you read about literacy rates.The independent says that literacy rates have fallen since 2017,as does the Guardian. Sorry but I’m not clever enough to do links,but they’re all there on the web to find.
I have looked , they are reporting the findings of a think tank . I haven’t looked to to see how they are funded and by who , but that almost always gives a guide to why they reach the conclusions that they have
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General Election Thread on 20:49 - Jun 29 with 1050 views
I am struggling with the idea that there is support for three parties who are looking to dismantle the NHS and introduce US style insurance based medical healthcare. Two parties who have the removal of Human rights on their manifesto; rights whose introduction was overseen by Churchill to control fascism. WTAF!
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The grass is always greener.
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General Election Thread on 09:53 - Jun 30 with 853 views
General Election Thread on 17:35 - Jun 29 by essextaxiboy
It just appears that they are being held to account for the last 14 years unless it suits to ignore the first 4 or 5 ?
It’s a pretty abysmal record overall but surely the abysmal record since the last GE is most relevant. They made a complete hash of Covid in various ways, intentionally and not and it’s just spiralled from there. The corruption over Covid, the totally lax attitude to it until it was too late, the ignoring of rules they were making, the disaster of Truss, the mindless culture wars and Rwanda/that bloody ship they leased for a fortune to get someone richer to nobody else’s benefit. That’s why I want them crushed.
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General Election Thread on 10:30 - Jun 30 with 822 views
Sunak says this country is a better place to live now than it was in 2010. Yeah for him and the rest of the 0.1% but for the rest of us it most certainly isn't.
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General Election Thread on 11:00 - Jun 30 with 745 views
General Election Thread on 09:38 - Jun 30 by Esox_Lucius
I am struggling with the idea that there is support for three parties who are looking to dismantle the NHS and introduce US style insurance based medical healthcare. Two parties who have the removal of Human rights on their manifesto; rights whose introduction was overseen by Churchill to control fascism. WTAF!
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Amid all the populist claptrap from a man of the people with an private education and a career as a City broker, the plans to destroy NHS has gone under the radar. Add resiliation from ECHR and WTAF doesn't cover it. Which human rights do you want to do without? Torture? Family Life? Access to justice?
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General Election Thread on 12:33 - Jun 30 with 543 views
Weather forecast for Thursday, sunny intervals. The Tories won't like that. It's always been a given that Labour voters won't bother if it's raining dogs and cats.
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