| General Election Thread 17:46 - May 22 with 132762 views | loftboy |
This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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| General Election Thread on 10:46 - Jul 5 with 1396 views | The_Beast1976 |
| General Election Thread on 10:28 - Jul 5 by daveB |
The Israel/Palestine conflict has played a big part imo
Jess Phillips only just kept her seat due to an Independent running on that ticket, in Slough was similar and many other places. The Muslim vote has been against the main 2 parties for not calling for a ceasefire
Expect similar in America later this year
It hasn't had an impact in terms of seats won but like with Reform it's taken a lot of votes away from the traditional parties and like the boats issue it's something Labour are going to have to get on top of. |
The Muslim vote will decide who is in power in about 20 years' time, and it will be a Muslim leader with Muslim values and rules for all (Muslim or not). Thankfully I will either be dead or won't have long left by then |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 10:49 - Jul 5 with 1364 views | Juzzie |
In his speech just now, Sunak mentioned about Starmer being a decent person etc. and wished hime and his family well.
Why can't they be this respectful when in parliament? Unless it's just 'for the cameras'', they way they talk and behave is appalling IMO, like a bunch of feral point-scoring school kids.
Some respect and decency needs to be brought back. The country mirror how they behave. Johnson behaves like a self-entitled cnt, then people will also behave like a self-entitled cnt. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 10:50 - Jul 5 with 1359 views | joe90 |
| General Election Thread on 10:28 - Jul 5 by daveB |
The Israel/Palestine conflict has played a big part imo
Jess Phillips only just kept her seat due to an Independent running on that ticket, in Slough was similar and many other places. The Muslim vote has been against the main 2 parties for not calling for a ceasefire
Expect similar in America later this year
It hasn't had an impact in terms of seats won but like with Reform it's taken a lot of votes away from the traditional parties and like the boats issue it's something Labour are going to have to get on top of. |
As has been mentioned, Labour has been able to make it up in other areas - which gives me some hope.
I am concerned about the UK's South Asian Muslims community influence on the Israel/Palestine conflict and more broadly our foreign policy. I think there is a fundamental disconnect and an uncomfortable relationship the left has with those communities. Much like the right and Reform, just the other side of the coin. [Post edited 5 Jul 10:57]
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| General Election Thread on 10:52 - Jul 5 with 1333 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 10:46 - Jul 5 by The_Beast1976 |
The Muslim vote will decide who is in power in about 20 years' time, and it will be a Muslim leader with Muslim values and rules for all (Muslim or not). Thankfully I will either be dead or won't have long left by then |
What an awful comment to make but it only adds to my feeling that this country is more right wing despite voting in a "Labour" Govt. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 10:52 - Jul 5 with 1331 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| General Election Thread on 10:15 - Jul 5 by stevec |
He’d have gained those 3 million votes whilst simultaneously losing the election. |
Ya, maybe you're right. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 10:58 - Jul 5 with 1262 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 10:52 - Jul 5 by dmm |
What an awful comment to make but it only adds to my feeling that this country is more right wing despite voting in a "Labour" Govt. |
Interesting that you think the comment is "awful" but not "Wrong" or "Inaccurate" |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:05 - Jul 5 with 1209 views | robith |
| General Election Thread on 10:37 - Jul 5 by EastR |
favourite Dorries quote from last night:
"Tony Blair had a massive one"
she even said it twice |
I got the impression Dorries had read Blair's wikipedia page before coming on having just disovered who he was given how often she brought stuff up about him like it was yesterday |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:08 - Jul 5 with 1174 views | StreathamRanger |
| General Election Thread on 10:58 - Jul 5 by SheffieldHoop |
Interesting that you think the comment is "awful" but not "Wrong" or "Inaccurate" |
I'd be happy to call his comment awful, wrong and inaccurate. | | | |
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| General Election Thread on 11:11 - Jul 5 with 1137 views | The_Beast1976 |
| General Election Thread on 10:52 - Jul 5 by dmm |
What an awful comment to make but it only adds to my feeling that this country is more right wing despite voting in a "Labour" Govt. |
What's awful about it? I've merely made a statement about what I genuinely think will happen in the future and that I'm glad I probably won't be here for it. [Post edited 5 Jul 11:12]
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| General Election Thread on 11:12 - Jul 5 with 1110 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 11:08 - Jul 5 by StreathamRanger |
I'd be happy to call his comment awful, wrong and inaccurate. |
You're also happy that this country has elected a party that accepts it allowed sensitivities around ethnicity prevent action on child sexual exploitation and abuse. Grim. | |
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| General Election Thread on 11:15 - Jul 5 with 1059 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 10:58 - Jul 5 by SheffieldHoop |
Interesting that you think the comment is "awful" but not "Wrong" or "Inaccurate" |
How can it possibly be right and accurate when he's making a future prediction? | | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:16 - Jul 5 with 1044 views | Konk |
| General Election Thread on 10:50 - Jul 5 by joe90 |
As has been mentioned, Labour has been able to make it up in other areas - which gives me some hope.
I am concerned about the UK's South Asian Muslims community influence on the Israel/Palestine conflict and more broadly our foreign policy. I think there is a fundamental disconnect and an uncomfortable relationship the left has with those communities. Much like the right and Reform, just the other side of the coin. [Post edited 5 Jul 10:57]
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I'm a bit uncomfortable with it too, but the only time I haven't voted for Labour at a GE was in protest at the invasion of Iraq, and that's true for quite a few people I know, so hopefully it will be similar here, with Labour having refused to call for a ceasefire in Gaza. But as with Northern Ireland, I think it would be very bad news and extremely divisive if people stood on religious platforms. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:18 - Jul 5 with 997 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 11:11 - Jul 5 by The_Beast1976 |
What's awful about it? I've merely made a statement about what I genuinely think will happen in the future and that I'm glad I probably won't be here for it. [Post edited 5 Jul 11:12]
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Because you damn Muslims out of hand. Your post is, in effect, islamophobic. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:19 - Jul 5 with 987 views | paulparker |
| General Election Thread on 10:52 - Jul 5 by dmm |
What an awful comment to make but it only adds to my feeling that this country is more right wing despite voting in a "Labour" Govt. |
Quick question
What is right wing ???? |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:20 - Jul 5 with 977 views | The_Beast1976 |
| General Election Thread on 11:15 - Jul 5 by dmm |
How can it possibly be right and accurate when he's making a future prediction? |
Conversely, how can it be wrong and inaccurate (as you allege) when (as you rightly say) I'm making a future prediction? It can be neither accurate nor inaccurate, right nor wrong, until the future has happened.
However, we can say with certainty that it is not awful. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:23 - Jul 5 with 941 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 11:20 - Jul 5 by The_Beast1976 |
Conversely, how can it be wrong and inaccurate (as you allege) when (as you rightly say) I'm making a future prediction? It can be neither accurate nor inaccurate, right nor wrong, until the future has happened.
However, we can say with certainty that it is not awful. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. |
That statement should be aimed at Sheffield as it was he and not me that made those comments. I said it was awful. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:26 - Jul 5 with 893 views | Bluce_Ree |
| General Election Thread on 11:18 - Jul 5 by dmm |
Because you damn Muslims out of hand. Your post is, in effect, islamophobic. |
I don't really give a f**k but I get why people are islamophobic in some sense. They've not got a great public image and taken to the extreme you end up with Afghanistan where basically life is hell. It's easy to be a bit worried about that. And that's what Farage wants. In fact, scrap that, Farage doesn't really care. He just wants influence and money.
But equally if someone is going to break into my house, steal my car, stamp on my head on a night out or on the way home from footie, be a dickhead neighbour, run me over with their motorbike while they speed down the high street, have seven dosser kids that then come and f**k with my neighbourhood etc, they're probably going to be white. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for the Black Panther Party of Kill All Crackers. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:28 - Jul 5 with 850 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 11:15 - Jul 5 by dmm |
How can it possibly be right and accurate when he's making a future prediction? |
Are you ok? | |
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| General Election Thread on 11:29 - Jul 5 with 841 views | Orthodox_Hoop |
| General Election Thread on 10:52 - Jul 5 by dmm |
What an awful comment to make but it only adds to my feeling that this country is more right wing despite voting in a "Labour" Govt. |
Genuinely curious why you felt the need to label this is an awful comment? I recently had a mandatory Islamophobia course at work (preceeded by a mandatory Anti-Semitism course) and the presenter, a British Muslim, openly said pretty much exactly the same thing in terms of what percentage of the country will be Muslim in 20 years, and that they would be the deciding vote in all future elections as if necessary they will vote along sectarian lines to get what they want.
I didn't read anything malicious in Beast's comment, and it wasn't more awful than let's say openly admitting to celebrating the death of a human being which I saw on another thread - yet no response from yourself labelling that an awful comment. [Post edited 5 Jul 13:35]
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| General Election Thread on 11:31 - Jul 5 with 802 views | BucksRanger |
| General Election Thread on 11:26 - Jul 5 by Bluce_Ree |
I don't really give a f**k but I get why people are islamophobic in some sense. They've not got a great public image and taken to the extreme you end up with Afghanistan where basically life is hell. It's easy to be a bit worried about that. And that's what Farage wants. In fact, scrap that, Farage doesn't really care. He just wants influence and money.
But equally if someone is going to break into my house, steal my car, stamp on my head on a night out or on the way home from footie, be a dickhead neighbour, run me over with their motorbike while they speed down the high street, have seven dosser kids that then come and f**k with my neighbourhood etc, they're probably going to be white. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for the Black Panther Party of Kill All Crackers. |
" Farage doesn't really care. He just wants influence and money."
Doesn't that statement apply to all politicians whatever their political party? |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:38 - Jul 5 with 730 views | BucksRanger |
| General Election Thread on 11:31 - Jul 5 by BrianMcCarthy |
To be fair, Beast, that post is a bit different to your original post. It did appear to me at least that your problem was specifically with Muslims and not with all religions.
I agree that the ideal would be that all Governments were secular and that Church and state should always be seperated.
Either way, at the last census only 6% of the population identified as Muslim. Britain may elect a Muslim as PM, but I can't see an Islamic Government with Islamic laws on the horizon. |
Nor could the Shah of Iran, Brian, and look what happened to him and his country.
I've lived in a muslim country and there are a lot of things that you have to forego to fit in with the muslim community. They are not easy to get along with. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:45 - Jul 5 with 656 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 11:31 - Jul 5 by BrianMcCarthy |
To be fair, Beast, that post is a bit different to your original post. It did appear to me at least that your problem was specifically with Muslims and not with all religions.
I agree that the ideal would be that all Governments were secular and that Church and state should always be seperated.
Either way, at the last census only 6% of the population identified as Muslim. Britain may elect a Muslim as PM, but I can't see an Islamic Government with Islamic laws on the horizon. |
In 2001 it was only 3%. Today it is closer to 7%.
By 2050 it will be?......
The people who don't give a toss about this stuff are the leftist-white people with 0 children. | |
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| General Election Thread on 11:45 - Jul 5 with 662 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 11:31 - Jul 5 by BucksRanger |
" Farage doesn't really care. He just wants influence and money."
Doesn't that statement apply to all politicians whatever their political party? |
No, I don’t think so. The 2019 version of the Tories were particularly awful and some MPs absolutely are in it as a bit of a gravy train and some of the opportunities the role creates but I think most people still enter politics for the right reasons. | | | |
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