| Cow update 16:32 - Jun 17 with 1748 views | KeithHaynes |
With the nation up in arms over the skilled and snap decision making of the officer who stopped Sundays dinner escaping some professionals have had a word.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg33v21weg3o
Had it been a knifeman or gunman you would expect any officer to do the same. To prevent a wild animal, albeit tasty with a selection of sauces from causing danger on a housing estate with kids and all manner of hazards close by in this instance was the correct decision.
Too many people with clouded agendas and points of view with no experience from behind a computer this time around. The coppers should have told them all to poke off. This officer potentially saved serious injury by making a snap decision based on training and instinct. He should be congratulated, but as many know in life, especially with this bizarre UK population the more you do the more shit you get.
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| Cow update on 22:02 - Jun 17 with 758 views | builthjack |
I think the cop did what he thought best, protecting the public. |  |
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| Cow update on 22:07 - Jun 17 with 750 views | majorraglan |
| Cow update on 20:42 - Jun 17 by onehunglow |
May was a bitch
Others just insipid.
Yvette Cooper a bleeding heart humanist will be interesting as will the putative justice secretary.
What a title .
It’s a complete misnomer
Massive early release of prisoners.nlock your doors folks
Police need to strike really but haven’t the guts |
They can’t strike, it’s been banned by the Police Act 1919 which was then updated by the Police Act 1996. During Theresa May’s watch the police suffered immeasurable damage.
The Conservatives claim to be the party of law and order, but it’s nothing other than a major lie. They’ve destroyed the criminal justice system and severely damaged the police. |  | | |
| Cow update on 23:43 - Jun 17 with 716 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cow update on 22:07 - Jun 17 by majorraglan |
They can’t strike, it’s been banned by the Police Act 1919 which was then updated by the Police Act 1996. During Theresa May’s watch the police suffered immeasurable damage.
The Conservatives claim to be the party of law and order, but it’s nothing other than a major lie. They’ve destroyed the criminal justice system and severely damaged the police. |
If I remember rightly the police voted against strike or similar action around 2014. Lowest of turnouts. And that was when they were having everything taken away from them that was agreed on joining. | |
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| Cow update on 00:08 - Jun 18 with 696 views | majorraglan |
| Cow update on 23:43 - Jun 17 by KeithHaynes |
If I remember rightly the police voted against strike or similar action around 2014. Lowest of turnouts. And that was when they were having everything taken away from them that was agreed on joining. |
You’re on the money again. I can’t believe they voted not to explore the option to strike, May must have been @@@@@@@ her pants. | | | |
| Cow update on 08:52 - Jun 18 with 615 views | onehunglow |
| Cow update on 22:07 - Jun 17 by majorraglan |
They can’t strike, it’s been banned by the Police Act 1919 which was then updated by the Police Act 1996. During Theresa May’s watch the police suffered immeasurable damage.
The Conservatives claim to be the party of law and order, but it’s nothing other than a major lie. They’ve destroyed the criminal justice system and severely damaged the police. |
I know.
I was Fed Rep when Ken Clarke was Home Sec .
Younger offices were more inclined to have the right to strike.
Older ones less so.
It’s exactly like the carrying of firearms for all serving officers .
It’s change
Amazing,y,they believe in protecting the public. And people think they are nothing special,like May.
Main reason they don’t want routine arming is because of the repercussions from our politicians and legal leeches | |
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| Cow update on 11:55 - Jun 18 with 574 views | YrAlarch |
| Cow update on 08:52 - Jun 18 by onehunglow |
I know.
I was Fed Rep when Ken Clarke was Home Sec .
Younger offices were more inclined to have the right to strike.
Older ones less so.
It’s exactly like the carrying of firearms for all serving officers .
It’s change
Amazing,y,they believe in protecting the public. And people think they are nothing special,like May.
Main reason they don’t want routine arming is because of the repercussions from our politicians and legal leeches |
And, of course, not all officers are suitable to carry firearms e.g. physically or temperamentally. Indeed some officers may not wish to carry firearms. We must respect the level of courage, training and expertise of those that do. | | | |
| Cow update on 12:44 - Jun 18 with 543 views | onehunglow |
| Cow update on 11:55 - Jun 18 by YrAlarch |
And, of course, not all officers are suitable to carry firearms e.g. physically or temperamentally. Indeed some officers may not wish to carry firearms. We must respect the level of courage, training and expertise of those that do. |
They seem to be ok abroad
Ours should be no different
They need the ultimate self defence
Waiting for ARVs can be too long | |
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| Cow update on 16:02 - Jun 18 with 493 views | Boundy |
| Cow update on 11:55 - Jun 18 by YrAlarch |
And, of course, not all officers are suitable to carry firearms e.g. physically or temperamentally. Indeed some officers may not wish to carry firearms. We must respect the level of courage, training and expertise of those that do. |
Nor suitable to be police officers as recent events have shown us.For the experts on here (I'm certainly not) but what sort of tests and checks are made to ensure their mental capabilities are correct? | |
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| Cow update on 16:27 - Jun 18 with 472 views | YrAlarch |
| Cow update on 16:02 - Jun 18 by Boundy |
Nor suitable to be police officers as recent events have shown us.For the experts on here (I'm certainly not) but what sort of tests and checks are made to ensure their mental capabilities are correct? |
I understand that there is a document produced by the National College of Policing which gives guidance to Forces on that issue and others.
I am not sure when it was produced but I suspect it was following recent events such as the Sarah Everard case. | | | |
| Cow update on 17:11 - Jun 18 with 454 views | onehunglow |
| Cow update on 16:02 - Jun 18 by Boundy |
Nor suitable to be police officers as recent events have shown us.For the experts on here (I'm certainly not) but what sort of tests and checks are made to ensure their mental capabilities are correct? |
Disagree.
Every serving police officer deserves the best protection.
Firearms are a last resort,but when facing down the barrel ,it’s good to know you could eliminate the threat . | |
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| Cow update on 18:52 - Jun 18 with 435 views | Boundy |
| Cow update on 17:11 - Jun 18 by onehunglow |
Disagree.
Every serving police officer deserves the best protection.
Firearms are a last resort,but when facing down the barrel ,it’s good to know you could eliminate the threat . |
I think you missed my point ,are prospective officers submitted to physcometric testing to see whether they're suitable to carry out basic duties ,nothing to do with being a firearms officer . | |
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| Cow update on 19:41 - Jun 18 with 398 views | Whiterockin |
| Cow update on 17:11 - Jun 18 by onehunglow |
Disagree.
Every serving police officer deserves the best protection.
Firearms are a last resort,but when facing down the barrel ,it’s good to know you could eliminate the threat . |
Serious question here mate with no agenda. Would you have liked to be carrying a firearm during the mining strike? In my opinion tension was so high it could have been catastrophic, there are times now with a similar situations. |  |
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| Cow update on 19:47 - Jun 18 with 388 views | onehunglow |
| Cow update on 19:41 - Jun 18 by Whiterockin |
Serious question here mate with no agenda. Would you have liked to be carrying a firearm during the mining strike? In my opinion tension was so high it could have been catastrophic, there are times now with a similar situations. |
No.
Those times were extreme
Bear in mind ,one can be lethal without a firearm.
I simply don’t believe police officers should not have the ultimate sanction.
My son in law was ARV but handed in his authority due to attitudes and how,if used,officers face utter bedlam .
It won’t happen however .
Meanwhile, armed gangs roam around with no fear at all of using weaponry whilst we worry about the very people paid to stop them.
Madness ,to me. | |
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| Cow update on 20:10 - Jun 18 with 370 views | Whiterockin |
| Cow update on 19:47 - Jun 18 by onehunglow |
No.
Those times were extreme
Bear in mind ,one can be lethal without a firearm.
I simply don’t believe police officers should not have the ultimate sanction.
My son in law was ARV but handed in his authority due to attitudes and how,if used,officers face utter bedlam .
It won’t happen however .
Meanwhile, armed gangs roam around with no fear at all of using weaponry whilst we worry about the very people paid to stop them.
Madness ,to me. |
Agreed it's madness, but to arm every police officer will only compound the madness. | |
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| Cow update on 20:31 - Jun 18 with 338 views | onehunglow |
| Cow update on 20:10 - Jun 18 by Whiterockin |
Agreed it's madness, but to arm every police officer will only compound the madness. |
Well,I disagree matey.
I spent an attachment with the Gendarmerie in Lyon and spoke to local officers in the ( civil) Police . Few actually use their firearm.There are no stats though on how often the Police use them !
It’s said the carrying of firearms would frighten our public.
Having stood by them chatting away ,this is not the case.,so that argument about alienation with the public is blown away.
Dixon of Dock Green got shot too. | |
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| Cow update on 20:38 - Jun 18 with 313 views | Whiterockin |
| Cow update on 20:31 - Jun 18 by onehunglow |
Well,I disagree matey.
I spent an attachment with the Gendarmerie in Lyon and spoke to local officers in the ( civil) Police . Few actually use their firearm.There are no stats though on how often the Police use them !
It’s said the carrying of firearms would frighten our public.
Having stood by them chatting away ,this is not the case.,so that argument about alienation with the public is blown away.
Dixon of Dock Green got shot too. |
Yet your son in law handed his in. | |
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| Cow update on 20:42 - Jun 18 with 299 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cow update on 18:52 - Jun 18 by Boundy |
I think you missed my point ,are prospective officers submitted to physcometric testing to see whether they're suitable to carry out basic duties ,nothing to do with being a firearms officer . |
They don’t have the option to carry a firearm for at least two years, possibly more. Then the testing starts, and previous history in the job. anyone who volunteers to carry a firearm in the police is asking for trouble. They get no protection from their employers, community outrage when it has been very clear certain people were shot in appropriate circumstances is bowed down to. Why even make your life difficult, it’s hard enough with the press, nine o’clock jurys and numbskulls on social media. | |
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| Cow update on 20:50 - Jun 18 with 270 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cow update on 21:31 - Jun 17 by onehunglow |
Vast majority was the lives of criminals and their families made the living hell they create for their victims
We want courts to punish,to be merciless and be on the side of victims not the Perps.
We want our country back l
Too right |
Then you should only vote one way come July. | |
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| Cow update on 20:50 - Jun 18 with 269 views | onehunglow |
| Cow update on 20:38 - Jun 18 by Whiterockin |
Yet your son in law handed his in. |
Yes.
It’s a stressful job.
They are first to the most challenging,violent crimes.
Instant decision have to be made . Get it wrong and you are hung out to dry. Nobody supports you.
The most vicious criminals will ensure their barrister performs to their best interest
They don’t get paid extra
Would you do it?
He’s moved on to the Drones Unit.
Less hassle and more enjoyment
He didthe Taylor Swift concert | |
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| Cow update on 20:53 - Jun 18 with 266 views | onehunglow |
| Cow update on 20:50 - Jun 18 by KeithHaynes |
Then you should only vote one way come July. |
Im struggling Zkeith
I hold both right and left wing views.
Just as well I don’t live in Wales as I’m not in favour of Independence
The fact I “ want my country back” is meaningless as I won’t but a return to family values and care in society would be nice . | |
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| Cow update on 20:58 - Jun 18 with 255 views | Whiterockin |
| Cow update on 20:50 - Jun 18 by onehunglow |
Yes.
It’s a stressful job.
They are first to the most challenging,violent crimes.
Instant decision have to be made . Get it wrong and you are hung out to dry. Nobody supports you.
The most vicious criminals will ensure their barrister performs to their best interest
They don’t get paid extra
Would you do it?
He’s moved on to the Drones Unit.
Less hassle and more enjoyment
He didthe Taylor Swift concert |
Exactly my point about not every police officer is suitable to carry a firearm. | |
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| Cow update on 21:11 - Jun 18 with 229 views | onehunglow |
| Cow update on 20:58 - Jun 18 by Whiterockin |
Exactly my point about not every police officer is suitable to carry a firearm. |
Not every police office WANTS to carry a firearm.
It’s our culture
However ,our culture was bobbies on the beat talking to people . Imagine that .
Our courts used to punish people .
Parents taught respect and responsibilities
Couples thought twice about having kids after copulating
Personally,I was more able to defend myself due to my specialist training but most had rudimentary defence training which was putrid really .Because of that,they were more at risk of having serious harm done to them.
Times have moved in now and scum will use lethal weapons . I believe ALL police officers should be able to go home after a shift not end up with guts on the floor of A@E. | |
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| Cow update on 22:22 - Jun 18 with 195 views | Boundy |
| Cow update on 20:58 - Jun 18 by Whiterockin |
Exactly my point about not every police officer is suitable to carry a firearm. |
And the point I was trying to make is not every police officer should be one hence the question about what tests etc are there to see if they're suitable to wear the uniform at any level and if so is it adequate. | |
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| Cow update on 22:29 - Jun 18 with 190 views | majorraglan |
| Cow update on 18:52 - Jun 18 by Boundy |
I think you missed my point ,are prospective officers submitted to physcometric testing to see whether they're suitable to carry out basic duties ,nothing to do with being a firearms officer . |
The recruiting process follows a structure mandated by the College of Policing, but Forces have a degree of flexibility and are able to adjust the process for their own needs, for example my local Force mandates that applicants undergo a formal interview, but some Forces just stick to the process which, depending on the quality of the applicants could be a risk. The number applying to become police officers is very low at the moment, the quality isn’t great and the number of leavers is at historical highs.
https://www.joiningthepolice.co.uk/application-process/get-ready-to-apply
In terms of arming every police officer, it would be an enormous challenge. AFO’s have to undertake regular refresher training, ( I don’t know how often but it’s a lot OHL could probably tell us the exact number of day) and ensuring every officer had that training would be impossible to deliver without huge investment, and I mean huge.
Arming every officer would also see a massive change in the police approach to conflict and restraint, AFO’s tend not to go “hands on” because if they’re overpowered or lose control of the weapon, the criminal will have a gun! Arming every officer increases the risk of firearm discharges significantly. Mate of mine just retired from the police - he’s glad he’s out! | | | |
| Cow update on 01:03 - Jun 19 with 163 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cow update on 22:29 - Jun 18 by majorraglan |
The recruiting process follows a structure mandated by the College of Policing, but Forces have a degree of flexibility and are able to adjust the process for their own needs, for example my local Force mandates that applicants undergo a formal interview, but some Forces just stick to the process which, depending on the quality of the applicants could be a risk. The number applying to become police officers is very low at the moment, the quality isn’t great and the number of leavers is at historical highs.
https://www.joiningthepolice.co.uk/application-process/get-ready-to-apply
In terms of arming every police officer, it would be an enormous challenge. AFO’s have to undertake regular refresher training, ( I don’t know how often but it’s a lot OHL could probably tell us the exact number of day) and ensuring every officer had that training would be impossible to deliver without huge investment, and I mean huge.
Arming every officer would also see a massive change in the police approach to conflict and restraint, AFO’s tend not to go “hands on” because if they’re overpowered or lose control of the weapon, the criminal will have a gun! Arming every officer increases the risk of firearm discharges significantly. Mate of mine just retired from the police - he’s glad he’s out! |
Refresher days dependent on what gun you carry or what you are qualified to fire are between one and three months. A whole load of scenarios from target ID in a hostage crisis to having to score a minimum pass mark on the weapons. It’s very well run, there’s also Royal Protection officers in certain forces who carry out that role permanently. Gatcombe etc. | |
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