| Match thread: Stevenage 15:09 - Mar 4 with 19568 views | Sheffdale |
What no match thread? Rodney gives Dale the lead in 7th minute. |  | | |  |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 22:18 - Mar 4 with 2870 views | Clivert |
Quigley was a real nuisance in the first half, he chased everything down and did everything that was said on the tin when we signed him, he did just that on his debut at Carlisle.
The whole season has been a complete bloody mystery of how things have been dealt with on and off the field. |  | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 22:31 - Mar 4 with 2786 views | EllDale |
The ongoing battle between Quigley and Piergianni was a great subplot to the main act but there was more all in wrestling than football at times. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 22:33 - Mar 4 with 2782 views | R17ALE |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 22:18 - Mar 4 by Clivert |
Quigley was a real nuisance in the first half, he chased everything down and did everything that was said on the tin when we signed him, he did just that on his debut at Carlisle.
The whole season has been a complete bloody mystery of how things have been dealt with on and off the field. |
Not really. We have an incredibly generous and well meaning board, but they're also very naive, and hopefully learning. |  |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 22:54 - Mar 4 with 2697 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 22:33 - Mar 4 by R17ALE |
Not really. We have an incredibly generous and well meaning board, but they're also very naive, and hopefully learning. |
The ambition has to be to be better. And admit.
Then look at how that can be achieved. |  |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 23:08 - Mar 4 with 2641 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 22:54 - Mar 4 by 442Dale |
The ambition has to be to be better. And admit.
Then look at how that can be achieved. |
Case in point, but regarding management:
At the Fans Forum, it was questioned why we didn't leave a player upfield when defending corners. Premier League stats was the "answer"
Before today, we've tried doing it, half-heartedly
Today, Stevenage had 10 corners (we had 0) but usually Odoh or sometimes Lloyd stayed upfield. It worked, and in several instances helped take the pressure off us by the upfield man challenging for the clearance. These things really matter over the 90 minutes
So the manager has listened. If he can do it, so can the BoD, and by doing so, take a heck of a lot of pressure off themselves, just like our defending today
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 23:28 - Mar 4 with 2581 views | Clivert |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 22:33 - Mar 4 by R17ALE |
Not really. We have an incredibly generous and well meaning board, but they're also very naive, and hopefully learning. |
Like I say it's been a bloody mystery as to what's gone on. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 23:45 - Mar 4 with 2542 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 23:08 - Mar 4 by D_Alien |
Case in point, but regarding management:
At the Fans Forum, it was questioned why we didn't leave a player upfield when defending corners. Premier League stats was the "answer"
Before today, we've tried doing it, half-heartedly
Today, Stevenage had 10 corners (we had 0) but usually Odoh or sometimes Lloyd stayed upfield. It worked, and in several instances helped take the pressure off us by the upfield man challenging for the clearance. These things really matter over the 90 minutes
So the manager has listened. If he can do it, so can the BoD, and by doing so, take a heck of a lot of pressure off themselves, just like our defending today
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They have to admit they need that help first. | |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 00:25 - Mar 5 with 2469 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 23:45 - Mar 4 by 442Dale |
They have to admit they need that help first. |
It also depends what's meant by "help"
There's the offer of practical help around the club (the Volunteer Army (VA) not followed up) and perhaps assistance with marketing, both offered free. That'd be a start, but where does that lead?
If there was naivety about the Brierley situation, and it was certainly no worse than that, how would that change? Perhaps the reason we haven't seen the VA followed up is the BoD are concerned it'd open some kind of floodgate to their ability to direct the club, pending inward investment
Apart from the VA, how do you suggest the BoD change their way of operating? It's a valid question, because simply repeating that "they need help" or "they need to listen" becomes repetitive. Listen to whom?
And another question: what did you think about the ref wearing the exact same shade of dayglo yellow top as the Stevenage keeper? [Post edited 5 Mar 2023 0:26]
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 00:35 - Mar 5 with 2456 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 00:25 - Mar 5 by D_Alien |
It also depends what's meant by "help"
There's the offer of practical help around the club (the Volunteer Army (VA) not followed up) and perhaps assistance with marketing, both offered free. That'd be a start, but where does that lead?
If there was naivety about the Brierley situation, and it was certainly no worse than that, how would that change? Perhaps the reason we haven't seen the VA followed up is the BoD are concerned it'd open some kind of floodgate to their ability to direct the club, pending inward investment
Apart from the VA, how do you suggest the BoD change their way of operating? It's a valid question, because simply repeating that "they need help" or "they need to listen" becomes repetitive. Listen to whom?
And another question: what did you think about the ref wearing the exact same shade of dayglo yellow top as the Stevenage keeper? [Post edited 5 Mar 2023 0:26]
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On the first subject, it’s clear some strategic footballing plan was required to be in place from the start when Stockdale took over. This needed to be clear to all, including supporters. Last year’s January window (Ball, Campbell, Charman signings) and the summer recruitment gave an indication that it is impossible to fathom what that that direction is. All talk of previous models not being able to work now also indicate that structure isn’t in place or understood.
The Volunteer Army lack of updates reflects badly on the club and the Trust. Even if it’s not achievable, say why. That’s why you set action points with timelines. It’s shows a disregard for supporters and people willing to help.
The kit issue: never understood why refs think it’s ok for them to clash while ignoring bigger clashes between teams. See Mansfield at home this season. [Post edited 5 Mar 2023 0:36]
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 00:50 - Mar 5 with 2433 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 00:35 - Mar 5 by 442Dale |
On the first subject, it’s clear some strategic footballing plan was required to be in place from the start when Stockdale took over. This needed to be clear to all, including supporters. Last year’s January window (Ball, Campbell, Charman signings) and the summer recruitment gave an indication that it is impossible to fathom what that that direction is. All talk of previous models not being able to work now also indicate that structure isn’t in place or understood.
The Volunteer Army lack of updates reflects badly on the club and the Trust. Even if it’s not achievable, say why. That’s why you set action points with timelines. It’s shows a disregard for supporters and people willing to help.
The kit issue: never understood why refs think it’s ok for them to clash while ignoring bigger clashes between teams. See Mansfield at home this season. [Post edited 5 Mar 2023 0:36]
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All fair points
It appears they've painted themselves into a strategic corner, and not even the help of a VA painter & decorator will change that | |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 07:34 - Mar 5 with 2230 views | Shun |
No sign of McStalin still? |  | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 07:44 - Mar 5 with 2211 views | TalkingSutty |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 00:35 - Mar 5 by 442Dale |
On the first subject, it’s clear some strategic footballing plan was required to be in place from the start when Stockdale took over. This needed to be clear to all, including supporters. Last year’s January window (Ball, Campbell, Charman signings) and the summer recruitment gave an indication that it is impossible to fathom what that that direction is. All talk of previous models not being able to work now also indicate that structure isn’t in place or understood.
The Volunteer Army lack of updates reflects badly on the club and the Trust. Even if it’s not achievable, say why. That’s why you set action points with timelines. It’s shows a disregard for supporters and people willing to help.
The kit issue: never understood why refs think it’s ok for them to clash while ignoring bigger clashes between teams. See Mansfield at home this season. [Post edited 5 Mar 2023 0:36]
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The volunteer army might be viewed by those employed by the club as undermining their position. It might also be viewed as a opportunity for fans to criticise the club once they are exposed to the day to day running of the club. It's obviously not something that's required at this moment in time. Volunteering for a club with unknown 'investors' as the main shareholder doesn't have the same attraction as a fan owned and fan run club does it?
We've already seen that the fans are treated on a 'need to know' basis and communication on the move away from fan owned club to inviting outside investors was non existent, even with shareholders and the Trust.The decision was just made and announced via the media. It's only now that Trust members are being balloted on their feelings and i don't blame the Trust for that, it's put them in a awkward situation. It always needs to be remembered that every Trust member has committed financially to purchase shares, they are indirectly shareholders even though thry don't hold them personally.
Somebody commented to me yesterday that communication coming out of the club is worse now than it's ever been, ironically at a time when we have a fan in the boardroom. Not sure if that's true but that was how he viewed things. It was pointed out that the fan in the boardroom is not the spokesman for the club and has a fine line to tread.
There is a lot of goodwill towards those in the Boardroom but it's being chiselled away and it's all down to a lack of communication and an apparent unwillingness to reach out and accept help. We are all busy, the momentum has been lost from a so called 'volunteer army' and many will have probably now arranged to do other things with their spare time, which is a shame. Communication is always key and once that stops ill feeling and discontent quickly spreads, to attract the right investors we all need to be united and kept in the loop, especially the shareholders and fans. [Post edited 5 Mar 2023 8:03]
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 08:15 - Mar 5 with 2145 views | Trev |
We know members of the board read this so the lack of update regards the VA paints them in a very bad light. They're busy, I get it, but there's no excuse on this one. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 08:27 - Mar 5 with 2101 views | TalkingSutty |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 08:15 - Mar 5 by Trev |
We know members of the board read this so the lack of update regards the VA paints them in a very bad light. They're busy, I get it, but there's no excuse on this one. |
The boardroom could look completely different in the near future so maybe now is not the time to start organising a volunteer army. Put it on the back burner now because the landscape of the club has changed over the last couple of months and who knows what the future holds. Maybe revisit it again at some point. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 08:53 - Mar 5 with 2048 views | James1980 |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 08:15 - Mar 5 by Trev |
We know members of the board read this so the lack of update regards the VA paints them in a very bad light. They're busy, I get it, but there's no excuse on this one. |
Considering the football club itself isn't a charity what legal and tax implications might need to be addressed if there was a 'volunteer army'? | |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 09:08 - Mar 5 with 1998 views | Trev |
Absolutely none, whatsoever. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 09:19 - Mar 5 with 1958 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 08:27 - Mar 5 by TalkingSutty |
The boardroom could look completely different in the near future so maybe now is not the time to start organising a volunteer army. Put it on the back burner now because the landscape of the club has changed over the last couple of months and who knows what the future holds. Maybe revisit it again at some point. |
That could well be the case, however there was a clearly defined date when we should have received information. To not even give details around why delays/postponement of the idea have occurred is really poor.
For reference, again:
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2023/01/10891/
<<“ It was discussed at the Shareholders AGM a couple of months ago that the Club were looking into working closer with the fanbase, by offering positions that supporters could volunteer for. The Club stated that they were very close to finishing the details behind this scheme and it will be launched at some stage in January.
Action: Club to publish details of the Voluntary Scheme in January.”>>
Also, wasn’t it mentioned at the forum that people could contact a director if they can help out? Something about a boot rack? See the posts at 14:19 and 15:15 below; what were and where are the updates from these meetings?
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/294537/page:3
The impact on continuing to make mistakes made in the past only serve to illustrate to supporters that little changes when it might be that things have. Unfortunately, irrespective of what else is going on off the pitch, with the position the club is in there needs to be a greater commitment to listening to and communicating with supporters in all instances to ensure we don’t lose any more if the results on the pitch aren’t sufficient to keep up. | |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 09:43 - Mar 5 with 1886 views | Dalenet |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 08:27 - Mar 5 by TalkingSutty |
The boardroom could look completely different in the near future so maybe now is not the time to start organising a volunteer army. Put it on the back burner now because the landscape of the club has changed over the last couple of months and who knows what the future holds. Maybe revisit it again at some point. |
Whilst I agree with your main posting above, I am not sure I agree with the timing issue you allude to here. Maybe the BoD are focussed on the due diligence and legal processes to get a deal done - and it is hard work doing those. So if that is what is taking their time, other help to keep the club running must be wise.
There is an immediate need. We are broke and the black hole is getting bigger. There were just 2000 home fans there yesterday - that is less than we have season tickets. Cash sales are tiny. There isn't enough money coming in and surely a fans army to help with activities that save costs or activities that drive fans/revenue are needed now. We have 5 home games left, probably our last in the football league. Unlike other clubs around us that are trying initiatives to drive support into the ground, we are doing nothing. Didly squat. Another 1000 bums on seats, creating an atmosphere, and potentially some revenue, has to be a priority. I have said it before, but where is the appeal to the town to "Save our Club in the football league". Nothing from the club and nothing from the Trust. Seems like we are just watching the club drown.
So for me fan involvement is critical now. It will be necessary too if we fall into non league and costs need to be slashed. There should be no shame in asking for help. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 09:49 - Mar 5 with 1871 views | Drigdale |
Thought this thread was supposed to be about the game.
It is a rare win and the players deserve some praise for a change. There were some gteat individual performances but collectively it was the best we have seen for some time. I loved the way Brierley made positive passes and showed what a real talent he is. O'Donnell was superb in goal and the defence put their bodies on the line. The midfield were tireless and the 2 forwards were excellent. Also for a change Bentley seemed to get his subs right.
All in all a good day. Let's have more of them. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 10:20 - Mar 5 with 1779 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 09:49 - Mar 5 by Drigdale |
Thought this thread was supposed to be about the game.
It is a rare win and the players deserve some praise for a change. There were some gteat individual performances but collectively it was the best we have seen for some time. I loved the way Brierley made positive passes and showed what a real talent he is. O'Donnell was superb in goal and the defence put their bodies on the line. The midfield were tireless and the 2 forwards were excellent. Also for a change Bentley seemed to get his subs right.
All in all a good day. Let's have more of them. |
Tbf, there's been plenty of praise higher up the thread, which you've managed to echo | |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 10:25 - Mar 5 with 1762 views | Dale_4_Life |
Fantastic win and a clean sheet. (Charmed life accepted)
So..Can this set of players kick on and come home from Cleethorpes with another 3 points?
It's still a big ask but if we finally have a formulae to be competitive and we get the rub of the green like yesterday we might still have a squeek. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 10:29 - Mar 5 with 1733 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 09:49 - Mar 5 by Drigdale |
Thought this thread was supposed to be about the game.
It is a rare win and the players deserve some praise for a change. There were some gteat individual performances but collectively it was the best we have seen for some time. I loved the way Brierley made positive passes and showed what a real talent he is. O'Donnell was superb in goal and the defence put their bodies on the line. The midfield were tireless and the 2 forwards were excellent. Also for a change Bentley seemed to get his subs right.
All in all a good day. Let's have more of them. |
Sometimes threads take a different direction due to other points being made. That's one of the reasons why they're called threads! |  |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 10:32 - Mar 5 with 1725 views | electricblue |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 08:53 - Mar 5 by James1980 |
Considering the football club itself isn't a charity what legal and tax implications might need to be addressed if there was a 'volunteer army'? |
Would there have to be in place insurance for any mishaps or injury etc..... |  |
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| Match thread: Stevenage on 10:58 - Mar 5 with 1649 views | DaleFan7 |
It was a great performance in the first half yesterday and a resolute one in the second.
I can only echo what other people have said.
Odoh had by far his best 45 mins in a Dale shirt
O'Donnell has proven he is lightyears ahead of Eastwood in terms of ability.
Mullarkey could be the best permanent signing we've made in defence since Dawson.
The biggest difference yesterday for me was Brierley, almost everything went through him and he very rarely gave the ball away, despite spraying it all over the park.
The two decisions that were made with O'Donnell and Brierley could very well have cost us our FL status and they really need to be looked into, especially the latter.
Is it too late for us? Probably, but if we play like we did in the first half yesterday then we'd certainly give ourselves hope, something we've not had for months. | | | |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 11:07 - Mar 5 with 1613 views | TalkingSutty |
| Match thread: Stevenage on 09:43 - Mar 5 by Dalenet |
Whilst I agree with your main posting above, I am not sure I agree with the timing issue you allude to here. Maybe the BoD are focussed on the due diligence and legal processes to get a deal done - and it is hard work doing those. So if that is what is taking their time, other help to keep the club running must be wise.
There is an immediate need. We are broke and the black hole is getting bigger. There were just 2000 home fans there yesterday - that is less than we have season tickets. Cash sales are tiny. There isn't enough money coming in and surely a fans army to help with activities that save costs or activities that drive fans/revenue are needed now. We have 5 home games left, probably our last in the football league. Unlike other clubs around us that are trying initiatives to drive support into the ground, we are doing nothing. Didly squat. Another 1000 bums on seats, creating an atmosphere, and potentially some revenue, has to be a priority. I have said it before, but where is the appeal to the town to "Save our Club in the football league". Nothing from the club and nothing from the Trust. Seems like we are just watching the club drown.
So for me fan involvement is critical now. It will be necessary too if we fall into non league and costs need to be slashed. There should be no shame in asking for help. |
It's a drum that's been banged all season though and with a couple of months left the offers of help have been ignored, not even been acknowledged in some cases. It's not the fans or the Trusts fault. Volunteering to help your fan owned and fan run club was a no brainer but the goalposts have been moved and who knows who will be running the club next season? I would rather wait now because setting up and organising a volunteer army takes time and a lot of commitment from both sides, not just the volunteers. The Chairman and Directors are committed to bringing in outside investors and it will probably be those who will be calling the shots. | | | |
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