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..."Alun Michael, South Wales police and crime commissioner, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme earlier on Tuesday that police had not chased the pair."
... "Chief Superintendent Martyn Stone told a press conference in Cardiff: “We have received footage that shows a police vehicle following a bike at just prior to 6pm."
“This footage is being recovered as part of the investigation and will assist us in piecing together the circumstances leading up to the collision."
Police Commissionaire Alun Michael says they were not being chased by the police.
CCTV from a house shows the truth, the 2 boys on a eBike being followed by a police van just prior to the accident
It’s on the BBC site - correction it was on the BBC site but it’s now been taken down in the last 5 minutes.
Reading between the lines, looking at the CCTV at some point it looks like the boys were being followed (or it’s a coincidence the police were going in the same direction as the boys - but I doubt that) and then there’s the police statement saying there were no police vehicles in Snowden Road 0ver 1/2 a mile away when the incident happened. My guess is the police had seen the bike, gone after it then lost it or been told to stand down and stop. Bikers carry on riding off at a rate and then there’s a crash, but I could be very wrong. There’ll now be a full investigation.
In terms of policing the protest , the police have not got many options. To effectively deal with a situation like that, the police would need several hundred cops in riot gear. I doubt there’d be that many riot trained cops with the PPE etc working in all of Wales to deal with that on a Monday night.
Police Commissionaire Alun Michael says they were not being chased by the police.
CCTV from a house shows the truth, the 2 boys on a eBike being followed by a police van just prior to the accident
Why the need to lie? Why not just say yes they followed what they believed to be an illegal motorised bike which they lost and then got into a collision with another vehicle.
There is no need to fabricate it, they were just doing what they are meant to do and stop people doing illegal things.
I can give you personal examples, but it's not for this forum.
It was mentioned they were brave, behind big shields with batons and large numbers, why didn't they go in and make snatch arrests.They would rather wait and try to contain it rather than end it there and then.
That's a no you can't then ,cheers
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
I can give you personal examples, but it's not for this forum.
It was mentioned they were brave, behind big shields with batons and large numbers, why didn't they go in and make snatch arrests.They would rather wait and try to contain it rather than end it there and then.
Maybe they should go fifty handed ! With big Knowsley the West Ham fan. Laughable.
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A great believer in taking anything you like to wherever you want to.
You said -Wouldn't trust the police to actively stop a crime in any circumstance.
I said - Nonsense..
What about the Mayhill riots, Keith?
The police backed off there and let the scumbags run wild. They were roundly condemned for that by pretty much everyone and even admitted they had failed the public, didn't they?
The police backed off there and let the scumbags run wild. They were roundly condemned for that by pretty much everyone and even admitted they had failed the public, didn't they?
Failure in command and not enough resources to deal with it is my guess. To effectively take control and restrain someone you’ll need at least two to three people per offender, more of their drunk or high. There’s no way SWP are getting 150 -200 riot trained cops together on a weeknight to deal with that.
Failure in command and not enough resources to deal with it is my guess. To effectively take control and restrain someone you’ll need at least two to three people per offender, more of their drunk or high. There’s no way SWP are getting 150 -200 riot trained cops together on a weeknight to deal with that.
Identify and grab the ringleaders. Hopefully that would have worked
Identify and grab the ringleaders. Hopefully that would have worked
Nobody in their right mind is going to send a dozen or 20 or so officers in to mob of of 60 to a 100 rioters with petrol bombs and possibly knives etc. I’m not an expert in these things, but maybe a plastic bullet or 2 would have had the desired effect - but that is a huge escalation and I’m not sure the powers that be or large parts of society would tolerate it.
Police are just evidence gathers and insurance claim number givers now, remember the riots in Bristol a couple of years ago when the Police station got attacked, there were just a line of OB with riots shields and a few with behind them with cameras of selfie sticks just recording the whole thing....oh well I'm sure Annis will have a book out shortly about Ely Crew taking on 3,000 of SWP finest
Nobody in their right mind is going to send a dozen or 20 or so officers in to mob of of 60 to a 100 rioters with petrol bombs and possibly knives etc. I’m not an expert in these things, but maybe a plastic bullet or 2 would have had the desired effect - but that is a huge escalation and I’m not sure the powers that be or large parts of society would tolerate it.
That’s exactly what they should do. A dozen pro active cops could have nicked a few of them.
If they aren’t prepared to do that, they are in the wrong job
That’s exactly what they should do. A dozen pro active cops could have nicked a few of them.
If they aren’t prepared to do that, they are in the wrong job
Strange when the Metropolitan police did exactly that a few weeks ago and grabbed a few ringleaders to stop possible disorder you accused them on unlawful arrest.
Nobody in their right mind is going to send a dozen or 20 or so officers in to mob of of 60 to a 100 rioters with petrol bombs and possibly knives etc. I’m not an expert in these things, but maybe a plastic bullet or 2 would have had the desired effect - but that is a huge escalation and I’m not sure the powers that be or large parts of society would tolerate it.
I suspect a large part of society would be quite happy with the plastic bullet approach.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
Strange when the Metropolitan police did exactly that a few weeks ago and grabbed a few ringleaders to stop possible disorder you accused them on unlawful arrest.
You can't be on about them intervening in a peaceful protest before anything has happened and comparing that to a riot where they are being attacked, with cars and property destroyed.
You can't be on about them intervening in a peaceful protest before anything has happened and comparing that to a riot where they are being attacked, with cars and property destroyed.
in my experience , in a few riot situations many "innocent" bystanders are oten lifted , their innocence is discussed later . I
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
Can someone explain to me what is the issue of police following someone doing something illegal. It is awful two young people died.
Few weeks ago on a Sunday was driving towards the park and ride by the stadium. 4 youngsters were on motorbikes no helmets pulling wheelies driving towards us in the opposite direction. Behind me was a police car. I said to my wife they’re in trouble now police will go up to the roundabout and go after them. But no the police just carried on their merry way. They didn’t even put on their blue lights to scare them or alert them. The bikers would have seen them as they would have driven past each other on either side of the road. The police weren’t on any blue light call at the time as they were driving within the speed limit.
We are the first Welsh club to reach the Premier League Simples
Can someone explain to me what is the issue of police following someone doing something illegal. It is awful two young people died.
Few weeks ago on a Sunday was driving towards the park and ride by the stadium. 4 youngsters were on motorbikes no helmets pulling wheelies driving towards us in the opposite direction. Behind me was a police car. I said to my wife they’re in trouble now police will go up to the roundabout and go after them. But no the police just carried on their merry way. They didn’t even put on their blue lights to scare them or alert them. The bikers would have seen them as they would have driven past each other on either side of the road. The police weren’t on any blue light call at the time as they were driving within the speed limit.
The problem is, they allegedly lied about it, and were then caught out by the CCTV. If they were acting appropriately they wouldn't have needed to
The police backed off there and let the scumbags run wild. They were roundly condemned for that by pretty much everyone and even admitted they had failed the public, didn't they?
Sadly ,supervision and leadership are now totally absent from Police Commanders . Is neglect of duty. Police will be always be criticised whatever they do so best do what is right and stand by it.
Nobody in their right mind is going to send a dozen or 20 or so officers in to mob of of 60 to a 100 rioters with petrol bombs and possibly knives etc. I’m not an expert in these things, but maybe a plastic bullet or 2 would have had the desired effect - but that is a huge escalation and I’m not sure the powers that be or large parts of society would tolerate it.
You re obviously speaking from a position of total ignorance
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