| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD 09:59 - Apr 16 with 18832 views | NotLoyal |
The Reading isn’t a library, it isn’t even a bookshop, they are on form, Swansea could be, what will we learn ? Are Swansea still tired ? Are you ? Is it the same but faster or then slower ?
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Fourth Official : Declan Bourne
Having had a dose of the Andy Woolmer’s on Friday, it’s the friendly Kevin’s for this game.
Reading fans are hard as flex. They blocked a bus once. All of them.
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A draw ?
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Reading: Orjan Nyland, Michael Morrison (captain), Tom McIntyre, Tom Ince, Danny Drinkwater, Andy Yiadom, Lucas Joao, Tom Dele-Bashiru, Baba Rahman, Junior Hoilett, Josh Laurent.
Substitutes: Luke Southwood, Alen Halilovic, Yakou Meite, Terrell Thomas, Femi Azeez, Brandon Baker, Kelvin Ehibhatiomhan.
Swansea City: Andy Fisher; Ben Cabango, Kyle Naughton, Joel Latibeaudiere; Cyrus Christie, Flynn Downes, Matt Grimes (captain), Hannes Wolf; Joel Piroe, Jamie Paterson, Michael Obafemi.
Substitutes: Ben Hamer, Ryan Manning, Jay Fulton, Korey Smith, Olivier Ntcham, Kyle Joseph, Cameron Congreve.
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 09:12 - Apr 19 with 1251 views | onehunglow |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 08:58 - Apr 19 by vetchonian |
I dont get all this talk of Cooper walking yet being paid off.
How many people resign then continue to be paid by their employer?
There was a lot of talk that Prioe was a Cooper/Scott target so why would he be unhappy?
SO mnay myths....do you actually really know what happened?
We are all speculating......MY thoughts Cooper was unhappy at the club pricing hom out of moves to Palace/Fulham.....Is it a coincidence that Geuhi and Gallacher ended up there?
I think Cooper went for constructive dismissal and that is why he was continued to be paid etc....Again only my opinion but I dont see how if someone "walks"/resigns they are continued to be paid and are happy to help out thir employer as did Cooper during preseason.
But what ever Piroe was not a Martin/Allen accquissiotn |
I don't get why Cooper is still mentioned in despatches
He led us to 2 play offs and lost them both then moved on.
Our biggest issue ,our biggest challenge is right now,with whom we have as a coach and how we are to become a "proper club". |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 09:22 - Apr 19 with 1225 views | vetchonian |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 09:12 - Apr 19 by onehunglow |
I don't get why Cooper is still mentioned in despatches
He led us to 2 play offs and lost them both then moved on.
Our biggest issue ,our biggest challenge is right now,with whom we have as a coach and how we are to become a "proper club". |
Its because he is the elephant in the room...
Im with you Cooper is historyi...yes I have referred to him but only in atempt to dispel the myths that continue to be perpetuated on here.
I agrre we need to focus on the here and now, given his "success" at choosing players such as Fisher do we trust our current manager/coach with player accquistion in the summer? | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 09:24 - Apr 19 with 1227 views | STID2017 |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 09:12 - Apr 19 by onehunglow |
I don't get why Cooper is still mentioned in despatches
He led us to 2 play offs and lost them both then moved on.
Our biggest issue ,our biggest challenge is right now,with whom we have as a coach and how we are to become a "proper club". |
Always be interest in ex managers, especially one who divided opinion such as Cooper does.
Similar to Martin in that respect that opinion is divided.
Difference is Martin is still here and still building |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 11:10 - Apr 19 with 1158 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 09:22 - Apr 19 by vetchonian |
Its because he is the elephant in the room...
Im with you Cooper is historyi...yes I have referred to him but only in atempt to dispel the myths that continue to be perpetuated on here.
I agrre we need to focus on the here and now, given his "success" at choosing players such as Fisher do we trust our current manager/coach with player accquistion in the summer? |
Fisher simply is a bizarre signing and waste of money we don't have. |  | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 11:21 - Apr 19 with 1151 views | vetchonian |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 11:10 - Apr 19 by Treforys_Jack |
Fisher simply is a bizarre signing and waste of money we don't have. |
So do we trust Martin to highight other players? | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 12:06 - Apr 19 with 1107 views | vetchonian |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 20:04 - Apr 18 by 73__73 |
Show me the evidence that without Piroe, wed have been worse off this season ?
If you can I’ll make a £100 donation to a charity of your choice. [Post edited 18 Apr 2022 20:06]
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I reckon without Piroes goals we would be at least 18 points worse off...and would have an even bigger negative goal difference, Im sure someowne with more time and thought could get some exact info but on my basic review I can see that without Piores goals we would have lost rather than drawing or drawn rather than winning some games putting us on 41 pts which would put us around 20th in the table.
So maybe you might like to domnate that £100 to the charity this site supports | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 13:40 - Apr 19 with 1056 views | onehunglow |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 11:10 - Apr 19 by Treforys_Jack |
Fisher simply is a bizarre signing and waste of money we don't have. |
And the very first to be bought in the window.
Anyone buying this chap has to have their judgement questioned.
Ive read it's about confidence. Is it,Holy Mary.
It is about ability and attitude. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 14:16 - Apr 19 with 1023 views | union_jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 13:40 - Apr 19 by onehunglow |
And the very first to be bought in the window.
Anyone buying this chap has to have their judgement questioned.
Ive read it's about confidence. Is it,Holy Mary.
It is about ability and attitude. |
I fear you are right on this one. He’s not big enough or technically good enough for championship football sadly and not good enough for cover imo. We have Benda and Hamer who have better natural abilities and skill sets than him. Let’s see how far Martin’s intransigence goes on this one but we may be disappointed. |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 14:41 - Apr 19 with 1002 views | onehunglow |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 14:16 - Apr 19 by union_jack |
I fear you are right on this one. He’s not big enough or technically good enough for championship football sadly and not good enough for cover imo. We have Benda and Hamer who have better natural abilities and skill sets than him. Let’s see how far Martin’s intransigence goes on this one but we may be disappointed. |
It's pretty evident union.Frankly,it beggars belief a to what was seen in him to come to us.If he was better,then he has regressed in sensational manner.I don't really feel sorry for him as he 's playing for my club but Hamer and indeed Benda must leave us with bitter memories . I feel rather ashamed of that. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:13 - Apr 19 with 987 views | swan_si |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 12:06 - Apr 19 by vetchonian |
I reckon without Piroes goals we would be at least 18 points worse off...and would have an even bigger negative goal difference, Im sure someowne with more time and thought could get some exact info but on my basic review I can see that without Piores goals we would have lost rather than drawing or drawn rather than winning some games putting us on 41 pts which would put us around 20th in the table.
So maybe you might like to domnate that £100 to the charity this site supports |
That's not evidence, that's pure speculation, all ifs, buts and maybe. |  | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:27 - Apr 19 with 966 views | vetchonian |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:13 - Apr 19 by swan_si |
That's not evidence, that's pure speculation, all ifs, buts and maybe. |
Sorry?
Excluding the games we lost but Pioe scored thus helping our GD
WE won at Bristol 0-1 with a Piroe goal whihout that goal we would have drawn there fore his goal earned us two points
At Luton Piroe scored a goal in added time 90+2 this meant we drew not lose earning us a point
At home to huddersfield Piroe scored the only goal so we had 2 points more than perhaps from a draw
Againsrt West Brom at home Piroe socred to equalise so he earned us at leasta point and then he gave an assist for Paterson to score the winner
shall I go on no ifs buts these are actual facts not speculation events whihc have happened and are recorded.... without those ogals and assists we ould have less points
Coventyr away we scored two goald the second coming form Prioe...we won 1-2 Piores goal gave us the win....2 extra points
No if no but it happened..
Blackpool at home Piroe carved a goal out of nothing....then we let them score without that goal we would have not at least got eh draw and the point.
Peterborough away Piroe socres 90+1 without that goal its a draw not a win....so 2 extra points f as a result of Piroes goal
This is without the times we lost and Piroe scored a solitary goal whihc has helped our poor goal difference
No ifs and buts these vents happened | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:27 - Apr 19 with 966 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 11:21 - Apr 19 by vetchonian |
So do we trust Martin to highight other players? |
Don't know really, who identified Downes? | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:29 - Apr 19 with 963 views | vetchonian |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:27 - Apr 19 by Treforys_Jack |
Don't know really, who identified Downes? |
I read somewhere that Martin did
which kind of negates my comment.... [Post edited 19 Apr 2022 15:30]
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:36 - Apr 19 with 954 views | onehunglow |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:29 - Apr 19 by vetchonian |
I read somewhere that Martin did
which kind of negates my comment.... [Post edited 19 Apr 2022 15:30]
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Nothing however mitigates the fact he saw fit to bring Fisher to us.
Downes is another frustrated player being played out of his best position.He is a card awalking on the field of play but he has some spirit but he has to curb his elan.
Charlie Austin though won't be around forever-thankfully. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:42 - Apr 19 with 931 views | swan_si |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:27 - Apr 19 by vetchonian |
Sorry?
Excluding the games we lost but Pioe scored thus helping our GD
WE won at Bristol 0-1 with a Piroe goal whihout that goal we would have drawn there fore his goal earned us two points
At Luton Piroe scored a goal in added time 90+2 this meant we drew not lose earning us a point
At home to huddersfield Piroe scored the only goal so we had 2 points more than perhaps from a draw
Againsrt West Brom at home Piroe socred to equalise so he earned us at leasta point and then he gave an assist for Paterson to score the winner
shall I go on no ifs buts these are actual facts not speculation events whihc have happened and are recorded.... without those ogals and assists we ould have less points
Coventyr away we scored two goald the second coming form Prioe...we won 1-2 Piores goal gave us the win....2 extra points
No if no but it happened..
Blackpool at home Piroe carved a goal out of nothing....then we let them score without that goal we would have not at least got eh draw and the point.
Peterborough away Piroe socres 90+1 without that goal its a draw not a win....so 2 extra points f as a result of Piroes goal
This is without the times we lost and Piroe scored a solitary goal whihc has helped our poor goal difference
No ifs and buts these vents happened |
Are you saying as fact,that if we had a different striker instead of Piroe he wouldn't have scored? | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:59 - Apr 19 with 913 views | KeithHaynes |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:36 - Apr 19 by onehunglow |
Nothing however mitigates the fact he saw fit to bring Fisher to us.
Downes is another frustrated player being played out of his best position.He is a card awalking on the field of play but he has some spirit but he has to curb his elan.
Charlie Austin though won't be around forever-thankfully. |
If the manager is to be blamed for signings, which hardly happens these days, it’s a cross the board decision, not just the manager. Flynn Downes aside. He came as a result of Martin coming to Swansea and his market value more than covers whatever it is MK dons were paid and the whole training teams contracts.
Flynn Downes out of position ? Disagree, it’s his natural game to play where he does, his temperament is reflected in his playing style, he is a proper gem and his game most of the time is spot on. I’m unsure how anyone can be blamed for uncovering this player, bringing him up a level and turning him in to a wonderful midfielder for the swans. That’s probably not as a result of Russell Martin’s vision for the team, probably just happened by luck.
Same for Christie who has played the most games in a couple of seasons. Cabango has stated publicly Martin has enabled his development more than he could have imagined last year, however he probably said that with a gun held to his head. And the evidence on the pitch is an illusion.
Fisher is not the keeper we wanted, personally I think he is a decent number two, but no worse than Hamer. We have poor keepers IMO.
The development of Obafemi and Piroe has seen a Swansea side for the first time in a very long time with two capable goal scorers. I’m at a loss at times as to why people don’t support someone who only wants the best for his team and is extremely brave in his implementation of a certain standard. We have given Martin some harsh reviews at times in reports, but I think in a fair way and accept that and his many very good points.
Four games to go, and then a short closed season before we see the real Russell Martin philosophy, and I give him until the World Cup starts before making any real judgement. Game two this season was possibly a bit premature ?
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 16:04 - Apr 19 with 900 views | cadleigh |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 01:02 - Apr 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Piroe's career has gone stratospheric the moment he and Martin had the unsatisfactory first meeting. It was the moment Piroe went from teenage prodigy scouted by Juventus to flat disappointment for two seasons to what Martin might call a "proper" player.
I suspect Piroe being a cool relaxed sort of fellow ambled into the club and did not show its people the "proper" respect.
I am reminded of Bob Bradley's first day shown on the website. Bob walked into the players mess, unannounced perhaps, and three players were loafing about in one corner with phones of course. Bob approached them smiles and offers a hand shake. He got three derisory hand shakes all while sitting down and all back to the phones. He turned around and there was Angel Rangel standing to attention and eye to eye greeting him and wishing him good luck.
I did not like the body language of young Burns getting his shirt from Club legend Alan Curtis. He could have not looked any less disinterested. Perhaps I read too much into it. Perhaps it was the awkwardness of youth. [Post edited 19 Apr 2022 1:03]
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Agree with a lot of what you posted about Bradley etc, but I think we have to be cautious about accepting the narrative that Piroe had a bad attitude which was 'cured' by Martin's brand of shame-based conversion therapy.
All we know for a fact is that Piroe was firmly in the plans of Cooper and Tatey, and got dropped from the squad for the first match of the season for reasons that are still unclear. You can take your choice from 'he went out on the lash in Cardiff to celebrate his birthday with mates/broke COVID regs', 'disappointed Martin with his attitude in training', or 'no reason... I don't know the bloke so that's why I didn't pick him'. There are sources for all three and evidence for none of them.
If he jumps at the first opportunity to leave in the summer it will be seen as proof that he hates Martin for those who think the manager has no clothes, and taken as proof that Martin has turned him into a first-class footballer with his head on the right way round for those who think Martin is the 'read deal'. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 16:19 - Apr 19 with 882 views | jasper_T |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:59 - Apr 19 by KeithHaynes |
If the manager is to be blamed for signings, which hardly happens these days, it’s a cross the board decision, not just the manager. Flynn Downes aside. He came as a result of Martin coming to Swansea and his market value more than covers whatever it is MK dons were paid and the whole training teams contracts.
Flynn Downes out of position ? Disagree, it’s his natural game to play where he does, his temperament is reflected in his playing style, he is a proper gem and his game most of the time is spot on. I’m unsure how anyone can be blamed for uncovering this player, bringing him up a level and turning him in to a wonderful midfielder for the swans. That’s probably not as a result of Russell Martin’s vision for the team, probably just happened by luck.
Same for Christie who has played the most games in a couple of seasons. Cabango has stated publicly Martin has enabled his development more than he could have imagined last year, however he probably said that with a gun held to his head. And the evidence on the pitch is an illusion.
Fisher is not the keeper we wanted, personally I think he is a decent number two, but no worse than Hamer. We have poor keepers IMO.
The development of Obafemi and Piroe has seen a Swansea side for the first time in a very long time with two capable goal scorers. I’m at a loss at times as to why people don’t support someone who only wants the best for his team and is extremely brave in his implementation of a certain standard. We have given Martin some harsh reviews at times in reports, but I think in a fair way and accept that and his many very good points.
Four games to go, and then a short closed season before we see the real Russell Martin philosophy, and I give him until the World Cup starts before making any real judgement. Game two this season was possibly a bit premature ?
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Doing Lowe and Ayew a disservice here. 31 goals between them last season. | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 16:21 - Apr 19 with 870 views | onehunglow |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:13 - Apr 19 by swan_si |
That's not evidence, that's pure speculation, all ifs, buts and maybe. |
It is also speculation to suggest our current coach is competent .
It is fact that Piroe has been utterly compelling .
He was dumped at the start of the season and had to work his way into the coach’s good books ,to take over from Cullen .
He should have had an extended offered to him in January utilising the money that should have saved by not wasting it on Ogbeta and Fisher and the Burns loan. It is crucial to try to tie down our best player or to make him more expensive for would be hyenas ,like Levy . | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 16:22 - Apr 19 with 867 views | KeithHaynes |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 16:19 - Apr 19 by jasper_T |
Doing Lowe and Ayew a disservice here. 31 goals between them last season. |
Agreed, maybe I should have referenced age and potential as well. Plus longevity if the club are bold enough to hold on to them. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 18:00 - Apr 19 with 795 views | vetchonian |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 15:42 - Apr 19 by swan_si |
Are you saying as fact,that if we had a different striker instead of Piroe he wouldn't have scored? |
that's speculation this discussion started specifically around Piroes goals... | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 18:23 - Apr 19 with 769 views | shingle |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 18:53 - Apr 18 by 73__73 |
What a ridiculous thing to say. Piroe is here end of. Get over it.
Take Diego Maradona out of the 1986 Argentina side and Argentina wouldn’t have won the World Cup.
Take Scott Sinclair out of the 2011 playoff final and Swansea may have lost.
Take away the space rocket that took Neil Armstrong to the moon, and he wouldn’t have landed on the moon.
All ifs, buts and maybe. [Post edited 18 Apr 2022 18:56]
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And take Fury out of the fight on Sat and there will not be a fight, no ifs or buts, now sit back and try to take in just how ridiculous your comment was. | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 18:29 - Apr 19 with 757 views | shingle |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 20:59 - Apr 18 by jasper_T |
This is a strange hill to die on. Piroe has been fantastic and has surpassed expectations. We'll be lucky to hold on to him. Absolute bargain at twice the price.
You're not winning as many points as you think by explaining that we can't know for sure that some alternate reality striker wouldn't have done better. |
Mate if he was true to his word the money would already be on the way. | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 18:31 - Apr 19 with 755 views | shingle |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 19:58 - Apr 18 by Fireboy2 |
Just come on to have a quick look at the site 🙄
Now I'm going to log off, bye. |
If you had not come on you would not have had to log off, so you only have yourself to blame.  | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 18:33 - Apr 19 with 750 views | swan_si |
| Reading v Swansea City : Sky Bet Championship 21/22 MATCHDAY THREAD on 18:29 - Apr 19 by shingle |
Mate if he was true to his word the money would already be on the way. |
Why would he pay the money? Seriously, there really is no way of proving one way or the other, unless mystic meg can add some insight. | | | |
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