| Southend stewards/security 20:53 - Nov 24 with 15393 views | dale4ever |
Utterly disgraceful behaviour today, pushing a Dale fan to the ground and then dragging him off by his legs as his head was dragged along the floor, rightly causing uproar from other Dale fans who also found is unacceptable, if they had 'cameras' for the apparent coin throwing incident which was alleged then surely there will be video evidence of this too, I know a lot of people who will be forwarding complaints, hopefully the club will too! Disgusting behaviour from people who you would expect to act in a professional manner. Oh and when the police were apporached after the game by a Dale fan on the incident he asked if they were working alongside the stewards to which they replied 'I find that offensive that you're assuming we work alongside them'! Basically he and all the other fans who stayed back at the end to discuss it were fighting a losing battle, as no matter what the Dale fan said the police just came back with snide remarks. |  | | |  |
| Southend stewards/security on 21:32 - Nov 24 with 7553 views | rafc1984 |
No excuse for that, and its illegal to drag someone away by the legs. Hope whoever it was sues. What reason was given for dragging him out? Was the victim acting aggresively? |  | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 21:47 - Nov 24 with 7468 views | dale4ever |
The only response I got from the stewards when I asked them why they dragged him away in the manner they did was 'he is drunk"! Whether he was or not, he didn't deserve the treatment he received, if you're going to escort someone out of the ground there's a way of doing so and that definitely wasn't it!! I await the replies of others who saw the incident too. | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 21:49 - Nov 24 with 7456 views | Doris |
| Southend stewards/security on 21:47 - Nov 24 by dale4ever |
The only response I got from the stewards when I asked them why they dragged him away in the manner they did was 'he is drunk"! Whether he was or not, he didn't deserve the treatment he received, if you're going to escort someone out of the ground there's a way of doing so and that definitely wasn't it!! I await the replies of others who saw the incident too. |
i cant understand why "Dale fans" didnt do anything about it ,why didnt they stop it . | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 21:52 - Nov 24 with 7444 views | dale4ever |
Believe me plenty of us tried to, but failed in doing so - it all happened so quickly! I know there will be a LOT of complaints made, and the big guy with the security badges on his arm will be lucky to keep his job if that was caught on camera! | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 21:56 - Nov 24 with 7429 views | Doris |
| Southend stewards/security on 21:52 - Nov 24 by dale4ever |
Believe me plenty of us tried to, but failed in doing so - it all happened so quickly! I know there will be a LOT of complaints made, and the big guy with the security badges on his arm will be lucky to keep his job if that was caught on camera! |
Its all on camera .If they say differently they are lying . | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 22:04 - Nov 24 with 7393 views | richfoad32 |
It wasn't just the one guy though? I saw one guy being manhandled out by three stewards and then a minute or so after that came the guy they were dragging out by the legs/head. No idea what kicked off the incident but it did all seem a bit heavy handed. It's easy to say that other fans should've got involved to stop it but I was sitting away from the ruckus and for all I knew the bloke could've done something a bit naughty to deserve getting kicked out (though probably not in this manner to be fair). Hopefully it was all caught on camera and can be sorted out. | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 22:30 - Nov 24 with 7312 views | TVOS1907 |
This is my take on events.
This was the ninth time I've been to Southend and on the previous eight occasions, away supporters were the only spectators behind that goal.
Now Southend have given over half of that end to home fans, which attracted in the region of 50 young lads, plus one who was probably in his twenties, but had a big drum and took his top off, a la Tangoman at Sheffield Wednesday.
There was the usual football banter an nothing untoward, until Southend equalised. This led to several of their fans leaping onto the sheeting covering the seats to celebrate in our direction, which is fair enough.
The issue here was that no attempt was made to stop them celebrating and gesticulating the way they did; indeed, there were only two response team* members between them and the sheeting.
One or two Dale fans took exception to the manner of celebration and started pointing and gesticulating back.
But what made the situation worse was the aggressive attitude adopted by one particular member of the response team, who at one point was forehead to forehead with a Dale fan.
Eventually the fan was pushed down the steps and dragged out by around five members of the response team, which was followed by lots of shouting, swearing and pointing in our end, while Southend fans filmed the incident on their phones.
Minutes later a friend of the ejected fan also became embroiled in a row with the same response team member (who looked like Buster Bloodvessel in a black jacket) and as he turned his back, he was pushed down the steps, again in an aggressive manner.
This fan was then dragged feet first along the front of the terrace by around six response team members.
Unfortunately, any Dale fans who tried to reason with these people, even in a polite, disciplined manner, were met with more aggressiveness and threats.
Many Dale fans (and the father of a player) were speaking to police and senior response team members on the way out of the ground and while I can't speak for all of those conversations, I heard someone being told to "Shut up and go home!"
Placing home fans at that end is a recipe for such incidents to happen, especially when Southend have hired 'rent-a-mob' to police the away fans.
I think what annoyed most people was that the stewarding wasn't at all even-handed when the initial actions from both sides of the stand were very similar.
* 'response team' used as "Can you see steward written on my back?" was another helpful comment one of them used during discussions. |  |
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| Southend stewards/security on 22:41 - Nov 24 with 7279 views | rochdale1987 |
The big bald bloke was an absolute disgrace, what a big bully, i don't think he liked the fact that a couple of blokes stood up to him when he was being aggressive, so took the cowards route and dragged them along the floor, i hope we make a complaint about this, yet through all this the Southend fans were allowed to do as they pleased. They could get a very bad situation on their hands soon, god help them if it had of been millwall/leeds fans and not us. | | | |
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| Southend stewards/security on 23:36 - Nov 24 with 7150 views | DaleAwaydayBot |
It were shocking the stewarding the big bald beast so called steward has made the FA against Bullying look kinda of stupid i hope there is some type of report sent to FSF, FA, FL and that some type of action is taken by G4S on this guy revoking his License for abuse of powers |  |
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| Southend stewards/security on 00:05 - Nov 25 with 7085 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Southend stewards/security on 23:36 - Nov 24 by DaleAwaydayBot |
It were shocking the stewarding the big bald beast so called steward has made the FA against Bullying look kinda of stupid i hope there is some type of report sent to FSF, FA, FL and that some type of action is taken by G4S on this guy revoking his License for abuse of powers |
Hope you got some pictures of what happened Taz lad.........you may just get the chance for some justice for the Dale Few! | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 00:16 - Nov 25 with 7064 views | TVOS1907 |
| Southend stewards/security on 00:05 - Nov 25 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Hope you got some pictures of what happened Taz lad.........you may just get the chance for some justice for the Dale Few! |
Taz was too busy singing about shooting "the bury scam" to be taking pictures. | |
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| Southend stewards/security on 00:18 - Nov 25 with 7058 views | judd |
| Southend stewards/security on 00:16 - Nov 25 by TVOS1907 |
Taz was too busy singing about shooting "the bury scam" to be taking pictures. |
Sure he wasn't "shooting the bury scran?" |  |
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| Southend stewards/security on 00:22 - Nov 25 with 7053 views | TVOS1907 |
| Southend stewards/security on 00:18 - Nov 25 by judd |
Sure he wasn't "shooting the bury scran?" |
It's quiet possible, but it sounded like "the bury scam" from my seat.
I think he thought today was TOWIE. | |
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| Southend stewards/security on 04:17 - Nov 25 with 6959 views | Shun |
Sounds ridiculous. I hope everyone who witnessed it makes a complaint so these bullies get what they deserve. |  | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 07:33 - Nov 25 with 6927 views | Statzdale |
Two postings on the Sarfend forums for your perusal
From TrueBlue
Decided it would be funny to throw a coin which hit a young fan suffice to say he was spotted and removed! Shame on you dale for that idiot who has spoiled your reputation!
And from " Dad of Dave the Shrimper "
I've had a dubious sneaky respect for Rochdale as they must be true fans. They were promoted from the fourth division to the third in 1968-69 and their last home game of the season was against Southend. It was my third attempt at seeing the match having got to Manchester first time before finding out the game had been called off and actually getting inside the ground before it being called off the second time. There had been trouble at the Roots Hall fixture and for this final match Rochdale had a record crowd of about 9,000 (from memory) they beat us 3-0 and there fans were intent on seeking revenge on the few Shrimpers present.
Anyway Rochdale spent five seasons in Division Three before being relegated back to the bottom tier when they remained for the next 25 years until finally getting promotion in 2010. I've always thought that with so little success that it must show true dedication from theur fans.
However their fans always were t*ssers and as Scott states above still are!
DoDtS
As I was not there I cannot comment , I will leave that to those who were | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 09:45 - Nov 25 with 6739 views | TrueBlueSUFC |
| Southend stewards/security on 07:33 - Nov 25 by Statzdale |
Two postings on the Sarfend forums for your perusal
From TrueBlue
Decided it would be funny to throw a coin which hit a young fan suffice to say he was spotted and removed! Shame on you dale for that idiot who has spoiled your reputation!
And from " Dad of Dave the Shrimper "
I've had a dubious sneaky respect for Rochdale as they must be true fans. They were promoted from the fourth division to the third in 1968-69 and their last home game of the season was against Southend. It was my third attempt at seeing the match having got to Manchester first time before finding out the game had been called off and actually getting inside the ground before it being called off the second time. There had been trouble at the Roots Hall fixture and for this final match Rochdale had a record crowd of about 9,000 (from memory) they beat us 3-0 and there fans were intent on seeking revenge on the few Shrimpers present.
Anyway Rochdale spent five seasons in Division Three before being relegated back to the bottom tier when they remained for the next 25 years until finally getting promotion in 2010. I've always thought that with so little success that it must show true dedication from theur fans.
However their fans always were t*ssers and as Scott states above still are!
DoDtS
As I was not there I cannot comment , I will leave that to those who were |
Right guys I have just come over from ShrimperZone the Southend forum, I am the large rotund gentleman with no shirt and the drum.
1st off no Southend fan got up onto the netting, granted they approached it but never climbed onto it
secondly there are 2 sides to every story I will admit that the manner in which your fan was ejected looked VERY physical and harsh so I do think you guys have a case there HOWEVER you have really lost the moral high ground when the young lad right on the corner back row next to the segregation with the fila patch on his arm decided to throw a 1p coin that hit one of our young lads on the arm, you could say well no harm done but I have seen first hand what damage spinning a coin at somebody can do and you can get sliced up quite bad from what essentially is a shard of metal!
Also another poster asked why we share that end with away fans now, since time and memorial we use to have the whole of that stand and away fans would be up the other end but during the 90s this changed (wrongly)
We have worked hard with the club to share that stand due to the awesome and I mean awesome acoustics it has! I recall times when 30/40 Macclesfield fans have made same noise that sounded like 500! all thanks to a low barreled iron roof.
I don't think anybody can deny the noise and atmosphere improvement its made to our ground.
In closing have a good season but two wrongs don't make a right in this case you cant really expect much sympathy from Southend fans after coin throwing.
anyway here is to the season!
The TrueBlue
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| Southend stewards/security on 10:09 - Nov 25 with 6667 views | TVOS1907 |
| Southend stewards/security on 09:45 - Nov 25 by TrueBlueSUFC |
Right guys I have just come over from ShrimperZone the Southend forum, I am the large rotund gentleman with no shirt and the drum.
1st off no Southend fan got up onto the netting, granted they approached it but never climbed onto it
secondly there are 2 sides to every story I will admit that the manner in which your fan was ejected looked VERY physical and harsh so I do think you guys have a case there HOWEVER you have really lost the moral high ground when the young lad right on the corner back row next to the segregation with the fila patch on his arm decided to throw a 1p coin that hit one of our young lads on the arm, you could say well no harm done but I have seen first hand what damage spinning a coin at somebody can do and you can get sliced up quite bad from what essentially is a shard of metal!
Also another poster asked why we share that end with away fans now, since time and memorial we use to have the whole of that stand and away fans would be up the other end but during the 90s this changed (wrongly)
We have worked hard with the club to share that stand due to the awesome and I mean awesome acoustics it has! I recall times when 30/40 Macclesfield fans have made same noise that sounded like 500! all thanks to a low barreled iron roof.
I don't think anybody can deny the noise and atmosphere improvement its made to our ground.
In closing have a good season but two wrongs don't make a right in this case you cant really expect much sympathy from Southend fans after coin throwing.
anyway here is to the season!
The TrueBlue
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The alleged coin throwing (which I have no idea whether it happened or not) was a good half-hour after the other incidents described above, so it's a different issue altogether, especially as the original points are about the way in which the 'response team' reacted to those incidents.
Their man-management skills of a volatile situation were zero and very one-sided.
It is also the way in which other fans were spoken to and threatened by the response team when they were being perfectly civil and asking very relevant questions.
Some Southend fans DID climb onto the sheeting. Surely you were too busy celebrating or banging your drum to notice.
If the lad threw a coin, he deserves any punishment that comes his way, but everything described earlier had happened a long time before that.
That end does have good acoustics and you do create a good atmosphere, but it is a recipe for trouble, especially when you get a larger away following in there and rent-a-mob parading as 'stewards'.
By the way, why does someone of your age go to a match with a big drum? Were you thrown out of the boys brigade, or something? | |
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| Southend stewards/security on 10:44 - Nov 25 with 6564 views | roger_roger |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:09 - Nov 25 by TVOS1907 |
The alleged coin throwing (which I have no idea whether it happened or not) was a good half-hour after the other incidents described above, so it's a different issue altogether, especially as the original points are about the way in which the 'response team' reacted to those incidents.
Their man-management skills of a volatile situation were zero and very one-sided.
It is also the way in which other fans were spoken to and threatened by the response team when they were being perfectly civil and asking very relevant questions.
Some Southend fans DID climb onto the sheeting. Surely you were too busy celebrating or banging your drum to notice.
If the lad threw a coin, he deserves any punishment that comes his way, but everything described earlier had happened a long time before that.
That end does have good acoustics and you do create a good atmosphere, but it is a recipe for trouble, especially when you get a larger away following in there and rent-a-mob parading as 'stewards'.
By the way, why does someone of your age go to a match with a big drum? Were you thrown out of the boys brigade, or something? |
You were sounding reasonable intelligent until the last paragraph. Now you just sound like a female sexual organ. | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:45 - Nov 25 with 6562 views | TrueBlueSUFC |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:09 - Nov 25 by TVOS1907 |
The alleged coin throwing (which I have no idea whether it happened or not) was a good half-hour after the other incidents described above, so it's a different issue altogether, especially as the original points are about the way in which the 'response team' reacted to those incidents.
Their man-management skills of a volatile situation were zero and very one-sided.
It is also the way in which other fans were spoken to and threatened by the response team when they were being perfectly civil and asking very relevant questions.
Some Southend fans DID climb onto the sheeting. Surely you were too busy celebrating or banging your drum to notice.
If the lad threw a coin, he deserves any punishment that comes his way, but everything described earlier had happened a long time before that.
That end does have good acoustics and you do create a good atmosphere, but it is a recipe for trouble, especially when you get a larger away following in there and rent-a-mob parading as 'stewards'.
By the way, why does someone of your age go to a match with a big drum? Were you thrown out of the boys brigade, or something? |
My age? 27 whats wrong with that? I was thrown out the boys brigade for eating all the boys!
Southend is my life love it! as I am sure Rochdale is yours!
Yes coin throwing was after but like I have said you lost the high ground after that.
From what I could see and pushing most of our fans back myself none got up onto it so you on have my angle to go on, I would have thought you would have had a more broad view.
Personally I think it adds more spice the setup like it is, for bigger games we are moved back round to our west stand. | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:50 - Nov 25 with 6541 views | TVOS1907 |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:44 - Nov 25 by roger_roger |
You were sounding reasonable intelligent until the last paragraph. Now you just sound like a female sexual organ. |
Cheers. | |
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| Southend stewards/security on 10:51 - Nov 25 with 6530 views | PDIDDY |
We had this at Torquay a few years ago, bouncers from Plymouth , kicked off big time,old bill said nothin on CCTV apart from bury lads getting stuck in, pathetic. Paid thugs |  |
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| Southend stewards/security on 10:52 - Nov 25 with 6528 views | rochdale1987 |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:51 - Nov 25 by PDIDDY |
We had this at Torquay a few years ago, bouncers from Plymouth , kicked off big time,old bill said nothin on CCTV apart from bury lads getting stuck in, pathetic. Paid thugs |
Yep he was a big fat roid head bouncer c*nt without a care in the world | | | |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:53 - Nov 25 with 6523 views | TVOS1907 |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:45 - Nov 25 by TrueBlueSUFC |
My age? 27 whats wrong with that? I was thrown out the boys brigade for eating all the boys!
Southend is my life love it! as I am sure Rochdale is yours!
Yes coin throwing was after but like I have said you lost the high ground after that.
From what I could see and pushing most of our fans back myself none got up onto it so you on have my angle to go on, I would have thought you would have had a more broad view.
Personally I think it adds more spice the setup like it is, for bigger games we are moved back round to our west stand. |
I've agreed with you over the alleged coin-throwing.
It doesn't change what went before and what was the main thrux of this thread, if you read back through the original posts.
I agree it made for a good atmosphere, but it needs stewarding, sorry 'response teaming', better, which was also the main thrux of this thread.
The first time I went to Southend, we were put up in the seats overlooking the corner flag. Surely away fans could still go in there (especially with low numbers like yesterday), you could have the whole of that end and there wouldn't be confrontations like yesterday's. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Southend stewards/security on 10:59 - Nov 25 with 6502 views | Daleaholic |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:45 - Nov 25 by TrueBlueSUFC |
My age? 27 whats wrong with that? I was thrown out the boys brigade for eating all the boys!
Southend is my life love it! as I am sure Rochdale is yours!
Yes coin throwing was after but like I have said you lost the high ground after that.
From what I could see and pushing most of our fans back myself none got up onto it so you on have my angle to go on, I would have thought you would have had a more broad view.
Personally I think it adds more spice the setup like it is, for bigger games we are moved back round to our west stand. |
The issue for a lot of Dale fans was the fact 100 or so of your fans right next to the segregation were allowed to taunt and incite us after your goals but as soon as 2 of our fans did anything, they were manhandled out.
The thug (steward) in the black jacket was an absolute disgrace. His behaviour could've caused a riot, as I'm sure many people saw the reaction his actions got. Certainly hope it's all on camera! |  |
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| Southend stewards/security on 11:03 - Nov 25 with 6491 views | TrueBlueSUFC |
| Southend stewards/security on 10:53 - Nov 25 by TVOS1907 |
I've agreed with you over the alleged coin-throwing.
It doesn't change what went before and what was the main thrux of this thread, if you read back through the original posts.
I agree it made for a good atmosphere, but it needs stewarding, sorry 'response teaming', better, which was also the main thrux of this thread.
The first time I went to Southend, we were put up in the seats overlooking the corner flag. Surely away fans could still go in there (especially with low numbers like yesterday), you could have the whole of that end and there wouldn't be confrontations like yesterday's. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Yeah I agree with you that our stewarding was too heavy handed!
We are looking at doing what we did before however there are costs involved regarding exits and toilets etc... suffice to say the club is working on it | | | |
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