| threadbare squad 09:20 - Jan 12 with 1607 views | wombat |
we have gone from being in some cases having way to many players in certain postions to down to bare bones for the coming months .
does the club say mid table it is or gamble and bring a few loans in ?
we wont have
chair hamstring
burrell hamstring
saito hamstring
varanne possibly sold
poku hamstring
dembele
jcs yeah i know !
for a good chunk of the next 4/6 weeks but are still in with a decent shout of top 6
so is its stick or twist time ?
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| threadbare squad on 09:45 - Jan 12 with 1406 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Top 6 has gone, but it was never really going to happen. I don't think Nourry will be rushing out to sign anyone as it's now a chance for these DS players to sink or swim. It's the perfect chance for them to step up.
See out the 2nd half of the season and build for a playoff push next. |  |
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| threadbare squad on 09:45 - Jan 12 with 1403 views | BklynRanger |
It's a good question but this will be again covered in detail at the fans forum:
A lot of it comes down to science and other complicated big boy trouser stuff, but basically if you factor in the fitness and availability levels of all Academy teams, the ladies team, the pupils at Jack TIzzard, and all children Year 4 and above on the White City Estate we are currently at 94.3% availability, which is higher than its ever been. |  | | |
| threadbare squad on 09:47 - Jan 12 with 1390 views | BAWHoops |
I think it's important not to chuck money around unnecessarily. If the right player is available at the right price then do it. What we don't need to do is bring in Jeff Hendrick and Dion Sanderson again!
Still need to look at the squad as a whole. It's better and healthier for the club to use Kolli and Bennie as strikers as opposed to loaning in someone from Chelsea for the sake of it.
Likelihood is it will be as rocky few weeks/month with 2 away games and 2 tough home games.
Keep building sensibly. This season looks like it will be an improvement on last season. The only place I'd look to spend any money is in central midfield as I'm worried we might break Madsen!! |  |
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| threadbare squad on 10:00 - Jan 12 with 1285 views | dmm |
| threadbare squad on 09:47 - Jan 12 by BAWHoops |
I think it's important not to chuck money around unnecessarily. If the right player is available at the right price then do it. What we don't need to do is bring in Jeff Hendrick and Dion Sanderson again!
Still need to look at the squad as a whole. It's better and healthier for the club to use Kolli and Bennie as strikers as opposed to loaning in someone from Chelsea for the sake of it.
Likelihood is it will be as rocky few weeks/month with 2 away games and 2 tough home games.
Keep building sensibly. This season looks like it will be an improvement on last season. The only place I'd look to spend any money is in central midfield as I'm worried we might break Madsen!! |
Yep, it's the next 4 remaining games this month that'll be a challenge. After that, we *should* should players beginning to return.
It's going to be a chance for players like fringe players like Morgan and Vale to get on the pitch and DS players such as Bennie and Sutton to get minutes. |  | | |
| threadbare squad on 10:26 - Jan 12 with 1200 views | johnhoop |
| threadbare squad on 10:00 - Jan 12 by dmm |
Yep, it's the next 4 remaining games this month that'll be a challenge. After that, we *should* should players beginning to return.
It's going to be a chance for players like fringe players like Morgan and Vale to get on the pitch and DS players such as Bennie and Sutton to get minutes. |
Thatās provided our āpitchā doesnāt take any more out of consideration in the coming weeks | | | |
| threadbare squad on 10:41 - Jan 12 with 1117 views | wombat |
| threadbare squad on 10:00 - Jan 12 by dmm |
Yep, it's the next 4 remaining games this month that'll be a challenge. After that, we *should* should players beginning to return.
It's going to be a chance for players like fringe players like Morgan and Vale to get on the pitch and DS players such as Bennie and Sutton to get minutes. |
Who ? we was told chair was close to coming back over xmas now feb maybe
poku no idea
saito who knows
dembele who knows
burrell march prob april
season is still very much alive for me and would normlly say stick but this season its down to anyone who sticks any sort of run together who gtes into the top 6 .
id like us to give it a go bring a few in on loan and keep pushing otherwise its the usal 16th in the league which this season would be underachiving with our fav players we like to see actually playing for us every sat. | |
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| threadbare squad on 10:47 - Jan 12 with 1052 views | stevec |
Iād get a doctor in who specialises in hamstring transplants. |  | | |
| threadbare squad on 10:49 - Jan 12 with 1033 views | aston_hoop |
Would hate to see us blowing chunks of our budget on loans again. Time for the likes of Morgan, Kolli, Bennie, Sutton, Smith, Adamson, Pearman, Esquerdinha, Akindileni, Isak etc to step up. It's what they are there for. Use them or move them on. |  |
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| threadbare squad on 10:50 - Jan 12 with 1030 views | daveB |
No hamstring injuries, all contact injuries, no issues at all with muscle innjuries nothing to see here |  | | |
| threadbare squad on 10:54 - Jan 12 with 999 views | wombat |
| threadbare squad on 10:50 - Jan 12 by daveB |
No hamstring injuries, all contact injuries, no issues at all with muscle innjuries nothing to see here |
something has to be done asap about this thats for sure .
but we all know nothing will change | |
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| threadbare squad on 11:16 - Jan 12 with 921 views | dannyblue |
Where is Vale?
So for stoke away we might manage:
Kolli Kone
Bennie Madsen Hayden Smyth
RND Edwards Dunne Mbengue
Walsh
With basically nothing on the bench in an attacking sense. |  | | |
| threadbare squad on 11:26 - Jan 12 with 867 views | nix |
No, stick. Weāve spent a lot already and have to save some money for future seasons.
As for the number of hamstring injuries itās not just us. Hull have had seven this season and Millwall five as well as numerous calf and other muscle injuries. Iāve also reposted the study on the increase of hamstring injuries over the past twenty years, which must be down to how football is played now. It canāt be down to how they are looked after as there is more emphasis on sports science than ever before. Not saying thereās nothing we can do but itās not all down to our training and physios.
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go |  | | |
| threadbare squad on 11:41 - Jan 12 with 764 views | wombat |
| threadbare squad on 11:26 - Jan 12 by nix |
No, stick. Weāve spent a lot already and have to save some money for future seasons.
As for the number of hamstring injuries itās not just us. Hull have had seven this season and Millwall five as well as numerous calf and other muscle injuries. Iāve also reposted the study on the increase of hamstring injuries over the past twenty years, which must be down to how football is played now. It canāt be down to how they are looked after as there is more emphasis on sports science than ever before. Not saying thereās nothing we can do but itās not all down to our training and physios.
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go |
football is indeed different but does us having somebody whos not from football based background help or hinder us ? we seem to have lots more reaccuring injuries this season compared to a lot of clubs so either we arent giving the right training regime to them or the whole behidn the scenes set up isnt working , im going with the later. and not to keep the hamstrong count low we are being fed lets be honest bollox sayings its an impact injury when clearly it isnt. | |
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| threadbare squad on 11:43 - Jan 12 with 752 views | Malintabuk |
I've banged on about this... but the days of playing back to back games is over. Back in yhe day players would have a few pints, a fag or two and then turn out on mud patches and play a game... sort of
Now it is to high density for back to back games... those 4 games in 10 days is ludicrous... OK some players seem to manage it... Madsen for example... but for the majority it is causing these muscle injuries...
It really does have to stop
For the thread agree with most, stick with the DS squad. We have to see if these lads are up to it [Post edited 12 Jan 11:44]
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| threadbare squad on 11:45 - Jan 12 with 738 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| threadbare squad on 10:41 - Jan 12 by wombat |
Who ? we was told chair was close to coming back over xmas now feb maybe
poku no idea
saito who knows
dembele who knows
burrell march prob april
season is still very much alive for me and would normlly say stick but this season its down to anyone who sticks any sort of run together who gtes into the top 6 .
id like us to give it a go bring a few in on loan and keep pushing otherwise its the usal 16th in the league which this season would be underachiving with our fav players we like to see actually playing for us every sat. |
The season has gone with the injuries we have, and the club shouldn't go blowing money on expensive loans or panic signings. We have been here before.
See it out, try to finish the top half and blood the youngsters and see if they can do it. If they can, it'll save us a fortune in transfer fees in the summer potentially.
As someone else said, what is the point of a reserve/development squad if they don't play during an injury crisis. | |
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| threadbare squad on 12:23 - Jan 12 with 565 views | nix |
| threadbare squad on 11:41 - Jan 12 by wombat |
football is indeed different but does us having somebody whos not from football based background help or hinder us ? we seem to have lots more reaccuring injuries this season compared to a lot of clubs so either we arent giving the right training regime to them or the whole behidn the scenes set up isnt working , im going with the later. and not to keep the hamstrong count low we are being fed lets be honest bollox sayings its an impact injury when clearly it isnt. |
What do you mean when you say weāve had lots more recurring injuries than a lot of clubs? Who has had a recurring injury?
JCS has had an impact ankle injury. He had a hip injury previously but has been injury prone throughout his career. Poku has had two hamstring injuries but has had one before so itās not just down to playing for us.
Burrell and possibly Saito have both had hamstring injuries but thatās not a recurring injury and as I said in my previous post lots of clubs have players with hamstring injuries. Hull surely more than us this season with seven. I think these two both doing hamstrings just after the Christmas period is more to do with the EFL scheduling than our physios.
One issue is we have tended to take players with iffy injury records because theyāre more likely to be available and cheaper.
We may need to look at our set up but if you look at Millwall and Hull weāre not particularly outliers. I just picked those because theyāre near us in the league and similar sized clubs. Iām not sure about other clubsā injury records admittedly. | | | |
| threadbare squad on 12:50 - Jan 12 with 460 views | dmm |
| threadbare squad on 11:26 - Jan 12 by nix |
No, stick. Weāve spent a lot already and have to save some money for future seasons.
As for the number of hamstring injuries itās not just us. Hull have had seven this season and Millwall five as well as numerous calf and other muscle injuries. Iāve also reposted the study on the increase of hamstring injuries over the past twenty years, which must be down to how football is played now. It canāt be down to how they are looked after as there is more emphasis on sports science than ever before. Not saying thereās nothing we can do but itās not all down to our training and physios.
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go |
That's a fascinating link re hamstring injuries, particularly that it's training-related hamstring injuries that have increased rather than match-related injuries. And all the while, more and more fitness experts and sports scientists are recruited to coaching teams. It appears they're handling the hamstring issue poorly. | | | |
| threadbare squad on 12:53 - Jan 12 with 429 views | mart_Goblin |
| threadbare squad on 12:23 - Jan 12 by nix |
What do you mean when you say weāve had lots more recurring injuries than a lot of clubs? Who has had a recurring injury?
JCS has had an impact ankle injury. He had a hip injury previously but has been injury prone throughout his career. Poku has had two hamstring injuries but has had one before so itās not just down to playing for us.
Burrell and possibly Saito have both had hamstring injuries but thatās not a recurring injury and as I said in my previous post lots of clubs have players with hamstring injuries. Hull surely more than us this season with seven. I think these two both doing hamstrings just after the Christmas period is more to do with the EFL scheduling than our physios.
One issue is we have tended to take players with iffy injury records because theyāre more likely to be available and cheaper.
We may need to look at our set up but if you look at Millwall and Hull weāre not particularly outliers. I just picked those because theyāre near us in the league and similar sized clubs. Iām not sure about other clubsā injury records admittedly. |
Some good points .
We do have to consider why we got the League 1 player of the season for Ā£900k whilst others in the division were going for 4 or 5 times that ? Did Posh see us coming ..again? I hope not but you have to wonder .
My main concerns are a) the obvious BS. We all saw the injury to Burrell. So who knows if JcS is a kick on the ankle ? We donāt know what to believe and itās a bit ridiculous frankly .
Also the club did a huge amount of back slapping regarding the ārevolutionaryā new fitness methods and regimes of Williams and others on getting them all fit at the end of MCās first season .
Fair enough.
We can just about cope with the players being 60-70% fit for the first third of the season as long as their fitness improves and thus preventing some injuries as it did a couple of years ago and we finish strongly .
With most injured players out and not properly match fit until March or who knows when as we donāt really like to tell the fans too much of the truth , they then unfortunately have to cop the flack when we are clearly unfit and many players are struggling to either complete 90 minutes or look dead when they do . If they aināt fit now , then big questions have to be asked . |  | | |
| threadbare squad on 13:02 - Jan 12 with 381 views | A40Bosh |
| threadbare squad on 10:49 - Jan 12 by aston_hoop |
Would hate to see us blowing chunks of our budget on loans again. Time for the likes of Morgan, Kolli, Bennie, Sutton, Smith, Adamson, Pearman, Esquerdinha, Akindileni, Isak etc to step up. It's what they are there for. Use them or move them on. |
And if that were to happen then it is time for the match attending fans to step up as well - and recognise that young players generally are not born immediately ready to play at a high standard consistently game after game. Too often over the years our young players have been given plenty of stick early on - mainly around the two full back positions from memory. I often hear aggressive comments from many in the back of SAR the second a mistake is made. Very little acceptance of aābedding in time neededā type attitude.
I get that some of the stick and some threads on here are more berating of the manger decision to throw youngsters in to the wrong game and should have played an experienced alternative etc.
If we are as threadbare over the coming month then we need to support the development and fringe players as much as possible. |  |
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| threadbare squad on 13:21 - Jan 12 with 273 views | nix |
| threadbare squad on 12:53 - Jan 12 by mart_Goblin |
Some good points .
We do have to consider why we got the League 1 player of the season for Ā£900k whilst others in the division were going for 4 or 5 times that ? Did Posh see us coming ..again? I hope not but you have to wonder .
My main concerns are a) the obvious BS. We all saw the injury to Burrell. So who knows if JcS is a kick on the ankle ? We donāt know what to believe and itās a bit ridiculous frankly .
Also the club did a huge amount of back slapping regarding the ārevolutionaryā new fitness methods and regimes of Williams and others on getting them all fit at the end of MCās first season .
Fair enough.
We can just about cope with the players being 60-70% fit for the first third of the season as long as their fitness improves and thus preventing some injuries as it did a couple of years ago and we finish strongly .
With most injured players out and not properly match fit until March or who knows when as we donāt really like to tell the fans too much of the truth , they then unfortunately have to cop the flack when we are clearly unfit and many players are struggling to either complete 90 minutes or look dead when they do . If they aināt fit now , then big questions have to be asked . |
Yes I agree with the Burrell one. Thatās the most frustrating for me. JCS though I thought I saw him get a bad tackle and have to go off soon after but not 100% positive on that.
I agree though that if theyāre doing the slow burn fitness thing they should be fit by January surely? Which they donāt particularly look. The question I had was about whether we actually get more injuries than other teams or if our record for hamstring issues is particularly worse than other teams and a particular outlier in response to the OP. | | | |
| threadbare squad on 13:24 - Jan 12 with 262 views | kensalriser |
| threadbare squad on 12:23 - Jan 12 by nix |
What do you mean when you say weāve had lots more recurring injuries than a lot of clubs? Who has had a recurring injury?
JCS has had an impact ankle injury. He had a hip injury previously but has been injury prone throughout his career. Poku has had two hamstring injuries but has had one before so itās not just down to playing for us.
Burrell and possibly Saito have both had hamstring injuries but thatās not a recurring injury and as I said in my previous post lots of clubs have players with hamstring injuries. Hull surely more than us this season with seven. I think these two both doing hamstrings just after the Christmas period is more to do with the EFL scheduling than our physios.
One issue is we have tended to take players with iffy injury records because theyāre more likely to be available and cheaper.
We may need to look at our set up but if you look at Millwall and Hull weāre not particularly outliers. I just picked those because theyāre near us in the league and similar sized clubs. Iām not sure about other clubsā injury records admittedly. |
Aw, come on. All these facts and logic is killing the victim complex vibe and taking away our righteous anger at scapegoats. What do we have without that? |  |
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| threadbare squad on 13:28 - Jan 12 with 247 views | nix |
| threadbare squad on 13:02 - Jan 12 by A40Bosh |
And if that were to happen then it is time for the match attending fans to step up as well - and recognise that young players generally are not born immediately ready to play at a high standard consistently game after game. Too often over the years our young players have been given plenty of stick early on - mainly around the two full back positions from memory. I often hear aggressive comments from many in the back of SAR the second a mistake is made. Very little acceptance of aābedding in time neededā type attitude.
I get that some of the stick and some threads on here are more berating of the manger decision to throw youngsters in to the wrong game and should have played an experienced alternative etc.
If we are as threadbare over the coming month then we need to support the development and fringe players as much as possible. |
I agree with this. I remember Darnell Furlong coming on and getting absolutely pelters, like youāre useless and get off the pitch. Heās done pretty well for himself for someone so uselessā¦.we certainly could have done with him over the years when we were playing Todd Kane and Osman Kakay ( lovely fella butā¦). We have to give them some encouragement starting out. | | | |
| threadbare squad on 13:47 - Jan 12 with 180 views | KensalT |
| threadbare squad on 11:26 - Jan 12 by nix |
No, stick. Weāve spent a lot already and have to save some money for future seasons.
As for the number of hamstring injuries itās not just us. Hull have had seven this season and Millwall five as well as numerous calf and other muscle injuries. Iāve also reposted the study on the increase of hamstring injuries over the past twenty years, which must be down to how football is played now. It canāt be down to how they are looked after as there is more emphasis on sports science than ever before. Not saying thereās nothing we can do but itās not all down to our training and physios.
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go |
I'm curious to know where besoccer gets its data from.
For us it lists Burrell as having a hamstring injury (which would seem correct):
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
But the official line on the club website is that Burrell has a "contact injury":
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/202
Something doesn't add up! | | | |
| threadbare squad on 13:57 - Jan 12 with 122 views | TheChef |
| threadbare squad on 11:26 - Jan 12 by nix |
No, stick. Weāve spent a lot already and have to save some money for future seasons.
As for the number of hamstring injuries itās not just us. Hull have had seven this season and Millwall five as well as numerous calf and other muscle injuries. Iāve also reposted the study on the increase of hamstring injuries over the past twenty years, which must be down to how football is played now. It canāt be down to how they are looked after as there is more emphasis on sports science than ever before. Not saying thereās nothing we can do but itās not all down to our training and physios.
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://www.besoccer.com/team/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go |
Hi Ben!
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| threadbare squad on 14:09 - Jan 12 with 84 views | Myke |
| threadbare squad on 11:16 - Jan 12 by dannyblue |
Where is Vale?
So for stoke away we might manage:
Kolli Kone
Bennie Madsen Hayden Smyth
RND Edwards Dunne Mbengue
Walsh
With basically nothing on the bench in an attacking sense. |
Iām a fan of Walsh, but sticking him up front as a lone striker, not so sure. | | | |
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