| A conversation with Lee Hoos 07:54 - Nov 28 with 9405 views | andrew1302 |
I had the opportunity this week of a discussion with Lee Hoos prior to the Cardiff game who I have to say was very open and as a person very impressive. I have no doubt he has the club’s best interests at heart. My conversation was respectful but also quite direct. I said that the fans were still in support of Marti but felt that Nourry had not done well on recruitment and if there was a lamb for the slaughter the general feeling around me in the Upper Loft was it had to be him with maybe Belk to follow. I was also scathing about Celar but at the same time concerned for his welfare. It can’t be easy having 10000 plus people giving you a hard time. This was before his tremendous evening!
Firstly Marti was a part of the recruitment process , nothing was thrust on him with regard to the first team. He was not however involved in the recruitment of development players . Having said that Marti has liked the look of Morgan and Bennie and has upgraded them. Lee also pointed out that Nourry was heavily involved in the January signings which made a significant positive impact.
With regard to Celar he apparently is really good in training but his confidence is very low. Lees view was that as a crowd we should try to help him rather than chastise him. He appreciated this can be difficult but he could not emphasise enough the effect the crowd has on moral. I have been guilty of the being exasperated with a couple of players - Celar, Madson and Anderson especially!- but I hear that they are trying their best and cheer rather than a jeer may be of greater help.
Lee was open to a suggestion that someone , maybe Paul Morrisey should provide an update as to the process and where we sit as a club at the moment. If he can do this I think it would be very helpful.
Overall I have to say a lot of my faith was restored [ doesn’t mean we are not on trouble but I do believe people care a lot] and Lee really could not of been nicer or more willing. It will certainly be helpful if Paul can provide a statement and let us hope this happens. I guess despite perhaps thinking otherwise my impression is that everyone is pulling together and it is not an us or them. Regardless of what happens it was important to me to have a true sense that people cared. Also that Marti did not have players imposed on him was good to know.
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:18 - Nov 28 with 2781 views | stainrods_elbow |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:09 - Nov 28 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I just accidentally read this thread logged out so saw some aggressive toxicity that I've used the ignore function to try to avoid. I'm not going to be drawn into reacting and turn another thread into a slanging match.
Great win last night. I feel happy today. |
Your prerogative (if you're reading this), but then why contribute to it signficantly if you don't expect a response youmay or may not agree with? This a a fan board, not a mothers' meeting.
As for 'aggressive toxicity', though I see none here (only interesting/important argument and counter-argument), there's also something called passive aggression/self-righteousness you may want to consider. In my experience, a lot of people who make accusations about the former love to indulge in the latter. [Post edited 28 Nov 16:48]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:36 - Nov 28 with 2779 views | BklynRanger |
Jesus H Christ, Elbow, will you have a day or two off?
About 40% of these threads consist of your verbose chatterings at the minute.
Go for a walk, call your GP, go to the seaside (without your phone). Something. Anything. |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:46 - Nov 28 with 2696 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:29 - Nov 28 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I don't doubt anything written here and thanks for posting but I would point out there is a whole league of nuance between Marti being involved with the recruitment process and him being happy - or even not livid with it.
Even in a scenario where Marti signed off on every single one of the players brought in, it doesn't mean - for example - that he wasn't begging for another striker or a right back or a more combative midfielder or Isaac Hayden.
I've no doubt Marti sees benefit in all the players we've signed but from his interviews, his body language and based on what any one of us can conclude by looking at the squad list, I've also no doubt he's been left more than a tad frustrated by the squad he's been given. As well as the fact so many of his first team are unavailable and the guy held to account for their availability being on a different continent so he can earn multiple wages.
We'll never know the truth and to an extent we shouldn't as it belongs behind closed doors. Ultimately there's no way Nourry, Hoos or Marti himself will ever tell us what went on behind those closed doors with recruitment whilst they're still employed by the club. I'm pretty certain there were a lot of disagreements though and it was probably Marti's nose left out of joint rather than Belk or Nourry's. |
A lot of guesswork in there considering as you rightly say we’ll never know the whole truth.
I would also point out that it’s more than understandable that Marti’s body language and interviews have come across as negative when you’re coaching a team at the bottom of the league. He looked and sounded a lot happier last night. Also the squad list will look much better when we get more of the injured players back: even Man City struggle when your best players are out. |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:49 - Nov 28 with 2669 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:46 - Nov 28 by Ned_Kennedys |
A lot of guesswork in there considering as you rightly say we’ll never know the whole truth.
I would also point out that it’s more than understandable that Marti’s body language and interviews have come across as negative when you’re coaching a team at the bottom of the league. He looked and sounded a lot happier last night. Also the squad list will look much better when we get more of the injured players back: even Man City struggle when your best players are out. |
Indeed - Just my guesswork.
Agree about the injuries and having some or all of Colback, Clarke-Salter, Dembele, Frey and Paal to choose from will make a huge difference. I still don't like the decision to let Williams manage whatever he manages via Zoom from Dubai and again I'll guess that Marti isn't too happy about that either. |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:53 - Nov 28 with 2632 views | lassel |
The only thing I’d say is take with a bucketful of salt what Hoos says as he is the guy who ultimately sourced and hired Nourry… | | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 12:00 - Nov 28 with 2571 views | stevec |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:53 - Nov 28 by lassel |
The only thing I’d say is take with a bucketful of salt what Hoos says as he is the guy who ultimately sourced and hired Nourry… |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 12:17 - Nov 28 with 2514 views | GaryHaddock |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 12:00 - Nov 28 by stevec |
And on we go |
Nourry (or anyone else) shouldn’t get off the hook for poor non football behaviour just because we won. |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 12:29 - Nov 28 with 2440 views | Hunterhoop |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 12:17 - Nov 28 by GaryHaddock |
Nourry (or anyone else) shouldn’t get off the hook for poor non football behaviour just because we won. |
Quite. Even relegated teams win 10 times a season… |  | | |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 13:52 - Nov 28 with 2303 views | Superhoops2808 |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:16 - Nov 28 by GaryBannister86 |
Tell me something - why can't you just debate like a grown up? Why do you have to be rude all the time? You've been on here long enough to know that DaveB is not patronising, smug or in any way deserving of your vitriol?
Happy to debate all the time, but insults are so juvenile, however many long and clever words you try and put in them. |
Fortunately he is on my ignore list now after the weekend so not sure what he has said to DaveB, one of the most useful posters on here, but as I have reminded him before, as soon as you slip into insults, you have lost the argument
I do agree though with Padula's Shampoo... Not checking you are logged in first should carry a health warning
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 14:52 - Nov 28 with 2193 views | derbyhoop |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:29 - Nov 28 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I don't doubt anything written here and thanks for posting but I would point out there is a whole league of nuance between Marti being involved with the recruitment process and him being happy - or even not livid with it.
Even in a scenario where Marti signed off on every single one of the players brought in, it doesn't mean - for example - that he wasn't begging for another striker or a right back or a more combative midfielder or Isaac Hayden.
I've no doubt Marti sees benefit in all the players we've signed but from his interviews, his body language and based on what any one of us can conclude by looking at the squad list, I've also no doubt he's been left more than a tad frustrated by the squad he's been given. As well as the fact so many of his first team are unavailable and the guy held to account for their availability being on a different continent so he can earn multiple wages.
We'll never know the truth and to an extent we shouldn't as it belongs behind closed doors. Ultimately there's no way Nourry, Hoos or Marti himself will ever tell us what went on behind those closed doors with recruitment whilst they're still employed by the club. I'm pretty certain there were a lot of disagreements though and it was probably Marti's nose left out of joint rather than Belk or Nourry's. |
All decisions re recruitment had to consider the finances. IMHO, that's why we couldn't afford Hayden and explains some of the gaps in the squad. Add in so many injuries to key players and we should all understand why we are 23rd.
A bit more experience from the newbies + return of key players and I hope we can stage an uptick like last season. |  |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 15:06 - Nov 28 with 2122 views | mart_Goblin |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:22 - Nov 28 by stainrods_elbow |
I wouldn't want to disappoint you, Francis Bowles  , though, believe it or not, there are a lot more important things in my life these days than revisiting my transient spleen about our finger-popping former Chief Executive! If he's coming across positively to one or two in the swim of things, I'm glad for him and them, and maybe I'm wrong about absolutely everything.
Yes, Hoos and the board will obviously act immediately on 1,000 emails of varying degrees of literacy/sanity urging personnel changes tout de suite! Christ, I got pelters on here, rather than support, from the usual suspects from sending a reasoned one to him a few moons back about some burning topic I've now forgotten about! It's hard to take it all seriously - even though I do, perversely. (As Kafka so wonderfully put it, football is the most important of the less important things.)
Accountability is a collective thing, and, as a glorified accountant, Hoos and his colleagues should understand that better than most. I think a lot of the hysteria around Nourry et al is basically a by-product of the miasma in the owners'/board's lamentable communication, spiced with wounded amour propre re Marti's disinterest in granting the likes of a fanboard like this an interview once in a while, so perhaps PM can build a bridge and the club can buck the trend and start treating the fans like invested adults.
All that said, we start climbing the table, the likes of Celar and Madsen continue to improve, and a lot of it disappears like yesterday's fish and chip paper! [Post edited 28 Nov 16:42]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 15:13 - Nov 28 with 2068 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
Just to point out there's a WLS article with quotes (in black and white and from the horse's mouth) from Cifuentes where he says:
"I keep repeating, the club needs to understand there are some things that we need to improve as a club that I’ve been saying since the summer and so far we have not improved those areas."
"One win, it’s a step forward, but we need to take many more – and we need help."
Doesn't sound massively like Marti is particularly pleased with the summer recruitment after all. I think from certain definitions that's a clearly supported point and we could start labelling it as a fact!
Don't shoot the messenger!
Existing Thread:
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/forum/314979/cifuentes%
Article:
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/the-club-needs-to-understand-cifuentes-sends | | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 15:40 - Nov 28 with 1910 views | Hastings_Hoops |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:22 - Nov 28 by stainrods_elbow |
I wouldn't want to disappoint you, Francis Bowles , though, believe it or not, there are a lot more important things in my life these days than revisiting my transient spleen about our finger-popping former Chief Executive! If he's coming across positively to one or two in the swim of things, I'm glad for him and them, and maybe I'm wrong about absolutely everything.
Yes, Hoos and the board will obviously act immediately on 1,000 emails of varying degrees of literacy/sanity urging personnel changes tout de suite! Christ, I got pelters on here, rather than support, from the usual suspects from sending a reasoned one to him a few moons back about some burning topic I've now forgotten about! It's hard to take it all seriously - even though I do, perversely. (As Kafka so wonderfully put it, football is the most important of the less important things.)
Accountability is a collective thing, and, as a glorified accountant, Hoos and his colleagues should understand that better than most. I think a lot of the hysteria around Nourry et al is basically a by-product of the miasma in the owners'/board's lamentable communication, spiced with wounded amour propre re Marti's disinterest in granting the likes of a fanboard like this an interview once in a while, so perhaps PM can build a bridge and the club can buck the trend and start treating the fans like invested adults.
All that said, we start climbing the table, the likes of Celar and Madsen continue to improve, and a lot of it disappears like yesterday's fish and chip paper! [Post edited 28 Nov 16:42]
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Theeeeeere he is |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 15:41 - Nov 28 with 1902 views | Rangersw12 |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:22 - Nov 28 by stainrods_elbow |
I wouldn't want to disappoint you, Francis Bowles , though, believe it or not, there are a lot more important things in my life these days than revisiting my transient spleen about our finger-popping former Chief Executive! If he's coming across positively to one or two in the swim of things, I'm glad for him and them, and maybe I'm wrong about absolutely everything.
Yes, Hoos and the board will obviously act immediately on 1,000 emails of varying degrees of literacy/sanity urging personnel changes tout de suite! Christ, I got pelters on here, rather than support, from the usual suspects from sending a reasoned one to him a few moons back about some burning topic I've now forgotten about! It's hard to take it all seriously - even though I do, perversely. (As Kafka so wonderfully put it, football is the most important of the less important things.)
Accountability is a collective thing, and, as a glorified accountant, Hoos and his colleagues should understand that better than most. I think a lot of the hysteria around Nourry et al is basically a by-product of the miasma in the owners'/board's lamentable communication, spiced with wounded amour propre re Marti's disinterest in granting the likes of a fanboard like this an interview once in a while, so perhaps PM can build a bridge and the club can buck the trend and start treating the fans like invested adults.
All that said, we start climbing the table, the likes of Celar and Madsen continue to improve, and a lot of it disappears like yesterday's fish and chip paper! [Post edited 28 Nov 16:42]
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Madsen improve !!!??
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 16:47 - Nov 28 with 1715 views | stainrods_elbow |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:16 - Nov 28 by GaryBannister86 |
Tell me something - why can't you just debate like a grown up? Why do you have to be rude all the time? You've been on here long enough to know that DaveB is not patronising, smug or in any way deserving of your vitriol?
Happy to debate all the time, but insults are so juvenile, however many long and clever words you try and put in them. |
If you can't see that 'an adult speaking to another adult by prefacing a highly contentious speculation with 'I hate to break it you that . . .' is patronising and therefore likely to get a reaction, I'm sorry for you. You're like someone pointing at the moon and mistaking his own finger for it, or putting the cart before the horse. Of course, the usual supects have their usujal favourites and scapegoats on here. Whatever my many flaws, I just respond and react to what's written, not who's writing it, or at least try to, and I engage on that basis.
As for my writing, I write as I see fit, just like you. If you have a problem with some of my 'long words', get a dictionary! [Post edited 29 Nov 1:22]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 17:00 - Nov 28 with 1656 views | G_Ottershaw |
Thanks for the update Andrew, i appreciate you making a direct approach. | | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 17:07 - Nov 28 with 1625 views | Boston |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:09 - Nov 28 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I just accidentally read this thread logged out so saw some aggressive toxicity that I've used the ignore function to try to avoid. I'm not going to be drawn into reacting and turn another thread into a slanging match.
Great win last night. I feel happy today. |
C'mon now Padula, you're head and shoulders above a slanging match. | |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 17:13 - Nov 28 with 1581 views | charmr |
The funny bone is a nerve that runs along the outside of the elbow. When it bangs or rubs up against the humerus, one of the bones in your upper arms, it creates the strange burning or tingling sensation from which it gets it name. [Post edited 28 Nov 17:22]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 17:14 - Nov 28 with 1579 views | Boston |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 17:00 - Nov 28 by G_Ottershaw |
Thanks for the update Andrew, i appreciate you making a direct approach. |
Where exactly was this direct approach made, did Andrew suddenly veer up behind him in the toilets, strolling down the South Africa Rd or in a local chip shop, eh? | |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 19:04 - Nov 28 with 1362 views | G_Ottershaw |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 17:14 - Nov 28 by Boston |
Where exactly was this direct approach made, did Andrew suddenly veer up behind him in the toilets, strolling down the South Africa Rd or in a local chip shop, eh? |
with respect Boston, i'm not sure what your post was meant to achieve? If he has physically spoken to him, then that has to be better than endless keyboard posts. | | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 19:40 - Nov 28 with 1245 views | Boston |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 19:04 - Nov 28 by G_Ottershaw |
with respect Boston, i'm not sure what your post was meant to achieve? If he has physically spoken to him, then that has to be better than endless keyboard posts. |
I don't know Andrew, the OP. I don't know Lee Hoos, I was interested to know if they are familiar to each other, otherwise what initiates a candid conversation and why? | |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 20:07 - Nov 28 with 1181 views | Northernr |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 19:40 - Nov 28 by Boston |
I don't know Andrew, the OP. I don't know Lee Hoos, I was interested to know if they are familiar to each other, otherwise what initiates a candid conversation and why? |
My experience with Lee Hoos over the years is whether you know him or not, whether you agree with him, or like what he says, or not, he's always very candid and open with QPR fans who want to speak to him. It's why I thought it was a bit of a shame that video coming out a few years ago with the guy on the moped stopping him on the street, abusing him, then putting it on social media when he gave him the bird in return. If you want an adult conversation with him, he'll have one. |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 20:19 - Nov 28 with 1149 views | davman |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:04 - Nov 28 by NorthLondonR |
Thanks for that.
I don't suppose he told you where you could pick up a temu coupon code? [Post edited 28 Nov 11:04]
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The irony in this being a double post....
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 20:39 - Nov 28 with 1091 views | PunteR |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 19:40 - Nov 28 by Boston |
I don't know Andrew, the OP. I don't know Lee Hoos, I was interested to know if they are familiar to each other, otherwise what initiates a candid conversation and why? |
Yeh, maybe i'm getting cynical in my old age but didnt Hoos appoint Nourry?
As Marti C said one win wont get us anywhere. There's still huge issues with this team. Yes we should get behind players, but the fans aren't stupid. We've all watched Celar this season and he's been rubbish, like nowhere near the standard we need. |  |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 20:47 - Nov 28 with 1060 views | GaryBannister86 |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 20:39 - Nov 28 by PunteR |
Yeh, maybe i'm getting cynical in my old age but didnt Hoos appoint Nourry?
As Marti C said one win wont get us anywhere. There's still huge issues with this team. Yes we should get behind players, but the fans aren't stupid. We've all watched Celar this season and he's been rubbish, like nowhere near the standard we need. |
I find it irritating when told the fans should get behind the players. We do, constantly, for very little reward over many years. We are there, home and away, sometimes barely acknowledged.
Literally the only note of discontent recently has been when Celar was subbed on Saturday. And that was late November, for a £2m+ signing who was not only goalless but showing absolutely nothing.
I don't think the fans are to blame, ever. |  | | |
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