| Dunne off? on 11:21 - Feb 3 with 2388 views | derbyhoop |
IF Jimmy is not prepared to sign a new contract AND there is a substantial agreeable offer on the table, then we have to accept.
We're not likely to get relegated and we're not likely to finish top 6, so use the money to find a replacement that is likely to be younger and cheaper. That is how Brentford, Bournemouth, Palace managed to become sustainable, albeit unthreatening, PL clubs. |  |
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| Dunne off? on 11:24 - Feb 3 with 2296 views | Hunterhoop |
No one can blame Dunne if we go.
We had either not offered him a contract (he said this, and I tend to suspect it) until now when Sheff Utd are there, too 2, waving a bigger contract and potential for Prem football. Of course, he would be tempted.
If we can get 2m for him, then that is a good return.
The only failure we have made here is not renewing him in December (or earlier) before the Sheff Utd interest ramped up. Then we’d be able to command a bigger fee now or in the summer…or he remains our player.
The difference to Austin’s, BOS, Manning, Willock, etc, is that none of them wanted to sign an extension with us at the time and ran their contracts down. I think Dunne would have renewed. It was us who weren’t the interested party…until our performances picked up with him key and we realised there was market value in him. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:26 - Feb 3 with 2261 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Dunne off? on 11:21 - Feb 3 by derbyhoop |
IF Jimmy is not prepared to sign a new contract AND there is a substantial agreeable offer on the table, then we have to accept.
We're not likely to get relegated and we're not likely to finish top 6, so use the money to find a replacement that is likely to be younger and cheaper. That is how Brentford, Bournemouth, Palace managed to become sustainable, albeit unthreatening, PL clubs. |
Younger, cheaper and better.
Wait until Field is sold in the summer to see a further meltdown on LFW. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:26 - Feb 3 with 2243 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 11:14 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Well I personally wouldn't read too much into that. That assumes that contract negotiations only work in hierarchical offers. It might be that no official offer had come in because he and / or his agent were / are demanding terms we simply can't 'offer'. |
I just think with Willock those contract negotiations were going on 2 years and thats why he got a bit more stick and really that was only on here and social media, at games he had his name sung most weeks.
Fans were sing feck Jimmy Dunne on Saturday, never heard anything like that about Willock
Dunne is just very different situation, as a club we were trying to sell him this time last year.
I don't think anyone expected other clubs to want to spend a few million on Dunne, I love him but its insane to spend this kind of money on a player they'll be looking to offload if they go up.
I doubt he expected it either and my personal view is the club were a bit complacent on getting him signed early and were not 100% sure about him last summer which is why they only did the 1 year. I may be wrong on that but just the feeling I get and can't say i 100% blame them really as not sure many of us expected him to play as well as he has this season. [Post edited 3 Feb 11:28]
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| Dunne off? on 11:30 - Feb 3 with 2140 views | HammersmithR |
Why would Sheffield United want to sign someone who has a groin strain? You don’t really buy players who are injured. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:32 - Feb 3 with 2085 views | TheChef |
| Dunne off? on 11:30 - Feb 3 by HammersmithR |
Why would Sheffield United want to sign someone who has a groin strain? You don’t really buy players who are injured. |
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| Dunne off? on 11:32 - Feb 3 with 2084 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Dunne off? on 11:04 - Feb 3 by francisbowles |
It's a negotiation!
If we are asking for £3 million up front for him and he can walk for free in the summer, then I would expect it will be settled at £2 million and a bit. The rest, and more, could be made up with add ons for promotion. |
Where has this £2m come from?
The season's over in three and a bit months; we'd still have to pay him until the end of June; we operate under a debt mountain; no one else seems interested in JD; Sheffield have cash and maybe other options; and it now seems he would go if he can. I'm afraid none of these variables make our hand stronger in negotiations. If they were offering £2m cash, I'd bite their hand off.
22 pages in and I'm getting a bit bored of it all: get the cash in Rangers after which he deserves our genuine thanks and best wishes! [Post edited 3 Feb 11:33]
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| Dunne off? on 11:34 - Feb 3 with 2037 views | Hayesender |
| Dunne off? on 11:16 - Feb 3 by andrewf |
That's true and if he does go for that reason then it's understandable. That said, he's known that not signing a new deal means this is his last season with us so he could perhaps have cut out the badge clutching if he wasn't planning to sign. That would make him seem a tad bit less cynical. [Post edited 3 Feb 11:30]
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Unless it comes from a Marc Bircham, Lee Cook etc, I take no notice of badge kissing.
We'll soon forget about Jimmy Dunne when he's sitting on the Sheffield utd bench in a few weeks when their injured players return |  |
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| Dunne off? on 11:36 - Feb 3 with 1972 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Dunne off? on 11:24 - Feb 3 by Hunterhoop |
No one can blame Dunne if we go.
We had either not offered him a contract (he said this, and I tend to suspect it) until now when Sheff Utd are there, too 2, waving a bigger contract and potential for Prem football. Of course, he would be tempted.
If we can get 2m for him, then that is a good return.
The only failure we have made here is not renewing him in December (or earlier) before the Sheff Utd interest ramped up. Then we’d be able to command a bigger fee now or in the summer…or he remains our player.
The difference to Austin’s, BOS, Manning, Willock, etc, is that none of them wanted to sign an extension with us at the time and ran their contracts down. I think Dunne would have renewed. It was us who weren’t the interested party…until our performances picked up with him key and we realised there was market value in him. |
We can't say the club have failed not getting Dunne to sign a new deal. Maybe Dunne doesn't want to stay, which is more likely, as he wants more money.
Maybe he wasn't offered a new deal as the club doesn't see him fitting in the way MC wants to play. He certainly was surplus after Millwall away this time last year.
If he goes, big deal, we will replace him with a better player. I wish him luck. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:37 - Feb 3 with 1954 views | Rangersw12 |
| Dunne off? on 10:48 - Feb 3 by connell10 |
I love Jimmy but if he don't want to be here he can basically go , I don't think it's good for the club and team to have players who want to move on. So get as much money for him now and say goodbye. |
I have to agree although spare a thought for Paal who the club were trying to get rid of all summer who then had to stay .
As fans we sometimes forget how badly the club can treat the players aswell | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:39 - Feb 3 with 1910 views | KernowRanger |
| Dunne off? on 11:24 - Feb 3 by Hunterhoop |
No one can blame Dunne if we go.
We had either not offered him a contract (he said this, and I tend to suspect it) until now when Sheff Utd are there, too 2, waving a bigger contract and potential for Prem football. Of course, he would be tempted.
If we can get 2m for him, then that is a good return.
The only failure we have made here is not renewing him in December (or earlier) before the Sheff Utd interest ramped up. Then we’d be able to command a bigger fee now or in the summer…or he remains our player.
The difference to Austin’s, BOS, Manning, Willock, etc, is that none of them wanted to sign an extension with us at the time and ran their contracts down. I think Dunne would have renewed. It was us who weren’t the interested party…until our performances picked up with him key and we realised there was market value in him. |
Earlier in the window I found WLS tone on articles about Dunne a little off - "Rangers were able to keep him last summer by taking up an option to extend his contract by a year."
Doesn't make it sound like there was much desire his side to renew then, at least on the terms we'd have valued him at after the latter half of last season. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:41 - Feb 3 with 1843 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 11:26 - Feb 3 by daveB |
I just think with Willock those contract negotiations were going on 2 years and thats why he got a bit more stick and really that was only on here and social media, at games he had his name sung most weeks.
Fans were sing feck Jimmy Dunne on Saturday, never heard anything like that about Willock
Dunne is just very different situation, as a club we were trying to sell him this time last year.
I don't think anyone expected other clubs to want to spend a few million on Dunne, I love him but its insane to spend this kind of money on a player they'll be looking to offload if they go up.
I doubt he expected it either and my personal view is the club were a bit complacent on getting him signed early and were not 100% sure about him last summer which is why they only did the 1 year. I may be wrong on that but just the feeling I get and can't say i 100% blame them really as not sure many of us expected him to play as well as he has this season. [Post edited 3 Feb 11:28]
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Well the one year was an automatic trigger so no negotiations required.
Ultimately we're all in the dark on the contract situation. I would be absolutely aghast though if this were a 'complacency' thing on QPR's part. I find it hard to believe that Jimmy Dunne's contract offer has been hanging around on a list somewhere for six to twelve months and they keep saying 'ahh, we'll do that next month'. I think it's far more likely that there's fairly consistent dialogue between club and player representatives and at no point have they been remotely close.
I agree those representatives have probably been gaining leverage all season as Jimmy has been playing so well, possibly making the respective valuations widen rather than close. Again though, other players in similar situations get criticised for suddenly finding fitness or form towards the end of their contract yet in Jimmy's case it's largely deemed QPR's fault that it's got this far.
My read (slash guess) is that Jimmy and his agent can see pound signs coming this transfer window or summer and are trying their best to get it. I'm not offended by that nor do I particularly begrudge JD for doing it given the shift he's put in since the day he arrived but I'm not a massive fan of the badge banging and soundbites about how much he loves it here in those circumstances. Clearly it's encouraged some people on this thread to side with him over the club / Nourry and I'm not at all convinced Nourry has done a thing wrong in this instance. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:43 - Feb 3 with 1808 views | TheChef |
| Dunne off? on 11:41 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Well the one year was an automatic trigger so no negotiations required.
Ultimately we're all in the dark on the contract situation. I would be absolutely aghast though if this were a 'complacency' thing on QPR's part. I find it hard to believe that Jimmy Dunne's contract offer has been hanging around on a list somewhere for six to twelve months and they keep saying 'ahh, we'll do that next month'. I think it's far more likely that there's fairly consistent dialogue between club and player representatives and at no point have they been remotely close.
I agree those representatives have probably been gaining leverage all season as Jimmy has been playing so well, possibly making the respective valuations widen rather than close. Again though, other players in similar situations get criticised for suddenly finding fitness or form towards the end of their contract yet in Jimmy's case it's largely deemed QPR's fault that it's got this far.
My read (slash guess) is that Jimmy and his agent can see pound signs coming this transfer window or summer and are trying their best to get it. I'm not offended by that nor do I particularly begrudge JD for doing it given the shift he's put in since the day he arrived but I'm not a massive fan of the badge banging and soundbites about how much he loves it here in those circumstances. Clearly it's encouraged some people on this thread to side with him over the club / Nourry and I'm not at all convinced Nourry has done a thing wrong in this instance. |
Not forgetting Mr Agent wants his 10%. I mean that is what he is there for. | |
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| Dunne off? on 11:43 - Feb 3 with 1818 views | Rangersw12 |
| Dunne off? on 11:26 - Feb 3 by daveB |
I just think with Willock those contract negotiations were going on 2 years and thats why he got a bit more stick and really that was only on here and social media, at games he had his name sung most weeks.
Fans were sing feck Jimmy Dunne on Saturday, never heard anything like that about Willock
Dunne is just very different situation, as a club we were trying to sell him this time last year.
I don't think anyone expected other clubs to want to spend a few million on Dunne, I love him but its insane to spend this kind of money on a player they'll be looking to offload if they go up.
I doubt he expected it either and my personal view is the club were a bit complacent on getting him signed early and were not 100% sure about him last summer which is why they only did the 1 year. I may be wrong on that but just the feeling I get and can't say i 100% blame them really as not sure many of us expected him to play as well as he has this season. [Post edited 3 Feb 11:28]
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The only Dunne song I thought was sung was wanting him to stay
Shame people were singing abuse about him as he's never given less than 100% | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:48 - Feb 3 with 1741 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 11:24 - Feb 3 by Hunterhoop |
No one can blame Dunne if we go.
We had either not offered him a contract (he said this, and I tend to suspect it) until now when Sheff Utd are there, too 2, waving a bigger contract and potential for Prem football. Of course, he would be tempted.
If we can get 2m for him, then that is a good return.
The only failure we have made here is not renewing him in December (or earlier) before the Sheff Utd interest ramped up. Then we’d be able to command a bigger fee now or in the summer…or he remains our player.
The difference to Austin’s, BOS, Manning, Willock, etc, is that none of them wanted to sign an extension with us at the time and ran their contracts down. I think Dunne would have renewed. It was us who weren’t the interested party…until our performances picked up with him key and we realised there was market value in him. |
That's such a massive leap to make. I don't believe for a second Jimmy and his agent have been sat there desperate to sign a new contract whatever the terms, with the club holding him at arm's length for no real reason at all. If he were willing, it would have happened. It takes both parties to sign a contract. Ultimately Nourry's is acting in the best interest of QPR and Jimmy Dunne and his agent will act in the best interest of their bank accounts. [Post edited 3 Feb 11:51]
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| Dunne off? on 11:49 - Feb 3 with 1731 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 11:41 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Well the one year was an automatic trigger so no negotiations required.
Ultimately we're all in the dark on the contract situation. I would be absolutely aghast though if this were a 'complacency' thing on QPR's part. I find it hard to believe that Jimmy Dunne's contract offer has been hanging around on a list somewhere for six to twelve months and they keep saying 'ahh, we'll do that next month'. I think it's far more likely that there's fairly consistent dialogue between club and player representatives and at no point have they been remotely close.
I agree those representatives have probably been gaining leverage all season as Jimmy has been playing so well, possibly making the respective valuations widen rather than close. Again though, other players in similar situations get criticised for suddenly finding fitness or form towards the end of their contract yet in Jimmy's case it's largely deemed QPR's fault that it's got this far.
My read (slash guess) is that Jimmy and his agent can see pound signs coming this transfer window or summer and are trying their best to get it. I'm not offended by that nor do I particularly begrudge JD for doing it given the shift he's put in since the day he arrived but I'm not a massive fan of the badge banging and soundbites about how much he loves it here in those circumstances. Clearly it's encouraged some people on this thread to side with him over the club / Nourry and I'm not at all convinced Nourry has done a thing wrong in this instance. |
I don't mean complacent as in we'll leave that another month or they forgot I just think both sides would have expected it to be agreed at some point but there was no rush.
If Sheffield United don't get a few injuries and they beat Hull last week I'm not sure they would have come in for him | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:59 - Feb 3 with 1581 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 11:49 - Feb 3 by daveB |
I don't mean complacent as in we'll leave that another month or they forgot I just think both sides would have expected it to be agreed at some point but there was no rush.
If Sheffield United don't get a few injuries and they beat Hull last week I'm not sure they would have come in for him |
I'm sorry Dave I'm not sure the club would have behaved like that either. Not since the summer let alone towards this transfer window. With every week that ticks by towards the end of that contract Jimmy's agent gains leverage by saying 'fine, we'll go on a free and pick up an enormous singing on fee'. QPR are so painfully aware of this after Willock, Bright, Manning etc etc. Sheff Utd interest or not, they're clearly uncomfortable with having players in the last six months of their deals given both Willock and Kolli disappeared from selections and I simply don't believe they'd have been so passive. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:11 - Feb 3 with 1423 views | Gloucs_R |
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| Dunne off? on 12:24 - Feb 3 with 1252 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 11:59 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I'm sorry Dave I'm not sure the club would have behaved like that either. Not since the summer let alone towards this transfer window. With every week that ticks by towards the end of that contract Jimmy's agent gains leverage by saying 'fine, we'll go on a free and pick up an enormous singing on fee'. QPR are so painfully aware of this after Willock, Bright, Manning etc etc. Sheff Utd interest or not, they're clearly uncomfortable with having players in the last six months of their deals given both Willock and Kolli disappeared from selections and I simply don't believe they'd have been so passive. |
Kenneth Paal is out of contract this summer and there is no sign of him signing either
I just think they were talking about a new deal but were in no rush to complete it, as good as Dunne has been he's unlikely to be getting a massive signing on fee this summer on a free, he'd be moving to another championship team if that happens. I don't think money is the main motivation here, this is a very big opportunity for Dunne to get a promotion on his cv and play in the premier league, one that might not come along again, thats why he'll be keen to go. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:34 - Feb 3 with 1095 views | Hoopsie |
| Dunne off? on 12:24 - Feb 3 by daveB |
Kenneth Paal is out of contract this summer and there is no sign of him signing either
I just think they were talking about a new deal but were in no rush to complete it, as good as Dunne has been he's unlikely to be getting a massive signing on fee this summer on a free, he'd be moving to another championship team if that happens. I don't think money is the main motivation here, this is a very big opportunity for Dunne to get a promotion on his cv and play in the premier league, one that might not come along again, thats why he'll be keen to go. |
Not if we sneak into the playoffs this May and Dunne would probably be massive part of this, if he stayed, not impossible if we go on another spectacular run
But the likelihood of him getting at least a PL game, I have to admit, is with Sheffield blades [Post edited 3 Feb 12:38]
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| Dunne off? on 12:35 - Feb 3 with 1083 views | dmm |
Should Dunne still be with us after 11pm tonight, QPR fans must be understanding of his situation and not boo him when he next plays. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:37 - Feb 3 with 1033 views | Juzzie |
| Dunne off? on 12:35 - Feb 3 by dmm |
Should Dunne still be with us after 11pm tonight, QPR fans must be understanding of his situation and not boo him when he next plays. |
If does stay and anyone does that, they need to give their head a wobble. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:39 - Feb 3 with 1004 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 12:24 - Feb 3 by daveB |
Kenneth Paal is out of contract this summer and there is no sign of him signing either
I just think they were talking about a new deal but were in no rush to complete it, as good as Dunne has been he's unlikely to be getting a massive signing on fee this summer on a free, he'd be moving to another championship team if that happens. I don't think money is the main motivation here, this is a very big opportunity for Dunne to get a promotion on his cv and play in the premier league, one that might not come along again, thats why he'll be keen to go. |
It's very rare I disagree with you Dave but I think we'll have to chalk it up on this one!
He would definitely make more money out of a free transfer to another Championship club in the summer than by extending his contract here. There definitely would be a meaty signing on fee as that's what happens with free transfers if there's competition - which there undoubtedly would be.
Some people are finding it utterly implausible that JD or his agent could be chasing money a bit here, instead preferring to assume QPR have been lazy or arrogant enough to not bother offering him a contract within the last 6-12 months of his terms. That makes no sense to me.
If it has been complacency on QPR's part I would be absolutely livid. Given how keen they are to gain 'competitive advantages' everywhere and anywhere they can though I'm just failing to believe that they'd let one of their most important players enter the final transfer window of his contract - running the risk of him leaving on a free in the summer - simply because there's 'no rush'. That would be complete neligence. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:42 - Feb 3 with 923 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dunne off? on 11:48 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
That's such a massive leap to make. I don't believe for a second Jimmy and his agent have been sat there desperate to sign a new contract whatever the terms, with the club holding him at arm's length for no real reason at all. If he were willing, it would have happened. It takes both parties to sign a contract. Ultimately Nourry's is acting in the best interest of QPR and Jimmy Dunne and his agent will act in the best interest of their bank accounts. [Post edited 3 Feb 11:51]
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Whilst I agree with this particular point, I think it's a bit rich to accuse others of making "a massive leap" when you allege that QPR's handling of Chris Willock was shaped by unconscious bias. |  | | |
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