| The Ginger ninja. 00:20 - Mar 16 with 6652 views | connell10 |
I thought Colback had a excellent game today , easy my man of the match , some of his passes were sublime. Well done Jack and I don't think he got booked , which is a miracle considering the useless Ref we had!! |  |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 14:46 - Mar 16 with 1819 views | stainrods_elbow |
| The Ginger ninja. on 09:13 - Mar 16 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Yeah, thought he was great yesterday. However, we've got to think carefully about how we use our budget next season. For me, the priorities are more pace, more aggression and a quality striker. If Eze goes this summer, then we're in a better position. As good as Colback played yesterday, I just don't see how we can justify his wages. We've got to be scouting better and identifying a similar, younger player with sell-on potential. |
Colback's good when he's good and gives us some good glue, but his lack of availablity, whether injury- or card-induced, really brings down his value and is a persistent headache. Marti and the club will take their view on him for next year, but a lot depends on who comes in if we shake hands. |  |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 16:23 - Mar 16 with 1767 views | LazyFan |
| The Ginger ninja. on 13:09 - Mar 16 by Northernr |
I actually think that's part of the tactics. We defend the width of the penalty box and concede the wings. |
This.
Marti changed the tactics in two distinct ways.
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First, by bringing in Edwards to the middle, this allowed Colback to press high up (as he was not expected to run back as much as we know he's a yard off the Champ pace). Leeds had a lot of possession so, Colback was back a lot anyway, but the point is he did not have to get up and down a lot, whereby he leaves space in behind him which the oppo exploits (like when he gave that pen away).
So, Colback is up and Edwards is back. Not all game, but enough.
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He told the wingers to tuck inside in the middle out of possession. Rather than fill the flanks. This meant the two Leeds midfielders, known for threading balls through and causing the oppo havoc, were unable to find a through-ball as easy as they are used too. This is why in the first half despite all that possession they did little until the obvious goal.
The downside to this is sometimes the oppo winger will be 1:1 against our fullbacks and we could get caught out. Which happened a few times and resulted in the second goal.
If, I were one of the teams playing Leeds next, I would get this video of our game because clearly, this is how you need to play against Leeds. And teams with better players will punish them way more than we did.
Another Tactical master class from Marti, with a QPR team of zero confidence and many injuries. [Post edited 16 Mar 16:25]
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| The Ginger ninja. on 16:56 - Mar 16 with 1689 views | lassel |
| The Ginger ninja. on 13:09 - Mar 16 by Northernr |
I actually think that's part of the tactics. We defend the width of the penalty box and concede the wings. |
100%. He’s got two ‘full backs’ who cannot play the way he wants his full backs to play and cannot/will not complete the basics of being a full back, being stop the cross at source, therefore he is pragmatically accepting that a lot of balls are going to come in and it’s better to tightly defend the box than have them both out wide making token efforts.
Not that it works out of course when we still concede goals so incredibly cheaply. |  | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 17:10 - Mar 16 with 1686 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Thought he was damn good.
But I wouldn't give a contract to a player who misses as many games as he does, nor to a player whose work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable. Unfortunately, imho, Colback falls into this category. |  |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 22:05 - Mar 16 with 1504 views | gazza1 |
| The Ginger ninja. on 17:10 - Mar 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thought he was damn good.
But I wouldn't give a contract to a player who misses as many games as he does, nor to a player whose work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable. Unfortunately, imho, Colback falls into this category. |
Why do you think his 'work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable'??
As I have said, posters need to look at replays of the game and watch Jack Colback.....perhaps then posters views will change.
At least our Manager sees the importance of Colback to the team and why he picks him whenever he is fit.
As for renewing his contract.....without doubt it depends on his wages not his 'good' for the Team. | | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 22:43 - Mar 16 with 1441 views | perpignanR |
| The Ginger ninja. on 17:10 - Mar 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thought he was damn good.
But I wouldn't give a contract to a player who misses as many games as he does, nor to a player whose work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable. Unfortunately, imho, Colback falls into this category. |
Just. This. Bye Jack. | | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 23:09 - Mar 16 with 1384 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The Ginger ninja. on 22:05 - Mar 16 by gazza1 |
Why do you think his 'work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable'??
As I have said, posters need to look at replays of the game and watch Jack Colback.....perhaps then posters views will change.
At least our Manager sees the importance of Colback to the team and why he picks him whenever he is fit.
As for renewing his contract.....without doubt it depends on his wages not his 'good' for the Team. |
"Why do you think his 'work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable'??"
It's just my view, Gazz. I've watched him over years.
1) I don't think he shows enough for the ball when the backs have it, in fact I've often seen him hide behind oppo players.
2) He can (sometimes) be lazy tracking back. For instance, when my friends and I were watching the Boro game, we noticed the period between 47:20 and 49:20. My friends were at the match. I wasn't.
But we all commented that Colback is capabale of these periods where he simply switches off and trots around the place, and - put simply - can't be arsed. | |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 07:53 - Mar 17 with 1226 views | nix |
| The Ginger ninja. on 17:10 - Mar 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thought he was damn good.
But I wouldn't give a contract to a player who misses as many games as he does, nor to a player whose work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable. Unfortunately, imho, Colback falls into this category. |
Absolutely.
Would be a travesty. He has the odd good game but somehow gets a massive number of free passes compared to others. He's only completed eight full matches this season (if you include minutes played) yet still managed to get sent off twice (out of our 3 red cards) and give away a pen (we've only conceded three all season).
He's not created one big chance.
Statistically he's our 23rd performing player per average performance: worse than Celar, Madsen and even Ashby, and the pelters they get....I know stats aren't everything but, really.
He's probably one of our most expensive players too. We have to do better than that next season. I'm sure there will be younger, ex-prem , just as grizzled, and wilier experienced old pros coming onto the market. [Post edited 17 Mar 9:33]
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| The Ginger ninja. on 08:59 - Mar 17 with 1135 views | gazza1 |
| The Ginger ninja. on 23:09 - Mar 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
"Why do you think his 'work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable'??"
It's just my view, Gazz. I've watched him over years.
1) I don't think he shows enough for the ball when the backs have it, in fact I've often seen him hide behind oppo players.
2) He can (sometimes) be lazy tracking back. For instance, when my friends and I were watching the Boro game, we noticed the period between 47:20 and 49:20. My friends were at the match. I wasn't.
But we all commented that Colback is capabale of these periods where he simply switches off and trots around the place, and - put simply - can't be arsed. |
1 - He is far from lazy or as you say 'his work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable'....shocking observation!!!
2 - He is one, if not, one of the best players in the team to show up and want the ball. He does not hide either - he wants the ball........shocking observation.
3 - re your 47.20 & 49.20 (which may actually be more 49 mins)......what do you want him to do, on 49 mins we are bringing the ball out of defence, Colback is showing for the ball but it it is a pretty poor pass by Saiko to Colback - goes behind him!!!! Boro break, what did Colback do wrong????......shocking observation!!!! Re 47.20 - Morrison was 'well beaten' by Morris and Colback came across to cover - what do you want him to do???
Colback gets the blame, as usual.
Not good observation by you or your mates, sorry. [Post edited 17 Mar 9:08]
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| The Ginger ninja. on 09:03 - Mar 17 with 1123 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The Ginger ninja. on 08:59 - Mar 17 by gazza1 |
1 - He is far from lazy or as you say 'his work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable'....shocking observation!!!
2 - He is one, if not, one of the best players in the team to show up and want the ball. He does not hide either - he wants the ball........shocking observation.
3 - re your 47.20 & 49.20 (which may actually be more 49 mins)......what do you want him to do, on 49 mins we are bringing the ball out of defence, Colback is showing for the ball but it it is a pretty poor pass by Saiko to Colback - goes behind him!!!! Boro break, what did Colback do wrong????......shocking observation!!!! Re 47.20 - Morrison was 'well beaten' by Morris and Colback came across to cover - what do you want him to do???
Colback gets the blame, as usual.
Not good observation by you or your mates, sorry. [Post edited 17 Mar 9:08]
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Will have to just leave this one, Gazza, as we see it completely differently.
I think that's a pretty damning two minutes of football, you don't. And I think it is representative of his poor play in general, you don't. That's fair enough. | |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 09:24 - Mar 17 with 1077 views | R_from_afar |
| The Ginger ninja. on 23:09 - Mar 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
"Why do you think his 'work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable'??"
It's just my view, Gazz. I've watched him over years.
1) I don't think he shows enough for the ball when the backs have it, in fact I've often seen him hide behind oppo players.
2) He can (sometimes) be lazy tracking back. For instance, when my friends and I were watching the Boro game, we noticed the period between 47:20 and 49:20. My friends were at the match. I wasn't.
But we all commented that Colback is capabale of these periods where he simply switches off and trots around the place, and - put simply - can't be arsed. |
Granted, the whole team was rubbish against Boro last week, but I thought Colback was particularly poor when Boro were attacking us. That's a big issue because the primary reason Colback is in the team is to provide a defensive screen. |  |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 09:37 - Mar 17 with 1052 views | gazza1 |
| The Ginger ninja. on 07:53 - Mar 17 by nix |
Absolutely.
Would be a travesty. He has the odd good game but somehow gets a massive number of free passes compared to others. He's only completed eight full matches this season (if you include minutes played) yet still managed to get sent off twice (out of our 3 red cards) and give away a pen (we've only conceded three all season).
He's not created one big chance.
Statistically he's our 23rd performing player per average performance: worse than Celar, Madsen and even Ashby, and the pelters they get....I know stats aren't everything but, really.
He's probably one of our most expensive players too. We have to do better than that next season. I'm sure there will be younger, ex-prem , just as grizzled, and wilier experienced old pros coming onto the market. [Post edited 17 Mar 9:33]
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Another one who doesn't understand!!!!......What are this 'free passes'??? What does that mean??? Yes, he is a 'hot head', not this season though. The penalty was very debatable. Don't know if he has created any goals tbh. Stas eh, use them however you want to your advantage - I watch the game and form an opinion.
Yea he may be costing a bit. I would suggest anyone with his experience would 'cost a bit'.
Big question - Why does MC pick him whenever he is fit & available?? I will answer that one for you!!! Because he does a good job for the Team. | | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 09:56 - Mar 17 with 985 views | nick_hammersmith |
Its a no for me for next season.
I'm very sceptical when an older player who needs a new contract for the coming season suddenly finds some form.
I'd rather the club use the budget on four or five Kieran Morgan type players.
Sure, only one might come good, but its a better deal than an older "pro" getting his last payday |  | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 11:06 - Mar 17 with 902 views | robith |
I personally can't stand Colback. Weirdly has very little backbone for a player so beloved of no context abrupt bursts of violence. But fair's fair, he was great on Saturday.
Still can't wait for him to be out the door though |  | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 13:40 - Mar 17 with 785 views | TheChef |
| The Ginger ninja. on 14:46 - Mar 16 by stainrods_elbow |
Colback's good when he's good and gives us some good glue, but his lack of availablity, whether injury- or card-induced, really brings down his value and is a persistent headache. Marti and the club will take their view on him for next year, but a lot depends on who comes in if we shake hands. |
I find myself agreeing with s_e 
He's now 35 and I'm not sure he's going to be worth whatever money that new contract will be. Hope we can find someone else who is younger, cheaper and more consistent. |  |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 13:41 - Mar 17 with 783 views | gazza1 |
| The Ginger ninja. on 11:06 - Mar 17 by robith |
I personally can't stand Colback. Weirdly has very little backbone for a player so beloved of no context abrupt bursts of violence. But fair's fair, he was great on Saturday.
Still can't wait for him to be out the door though |
Yet another post knocking Colback that has no 'real meaning'...........wtf do you actually mean??.....can't stand him!!!, weirdly very little back bone!!!! abrupt busts of violence!!!!!, cant wait to see him out!!!!
At least the manager thinks he is a good player and not posters!!!! I suppose you would prefer EDB!!!! or Ashby!!!! | | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 14:44 - Mar 17 with 710 views | wombat |
| The Ginger ninja. on 14:09 - Mar 16 by gazza1 |
Really!!!.....not the way I saw it.
Bottom line is that he was 'still going strong' at 90 minutes......and that is down to Jack Colback and nobody else. |
maybe go back to the central 3 players for the rest of the season
edwards
colback
varanne
should be enbough to get us over the line |  |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 14:50 - Mar 17 with 690 views | gazza1 |
| The Ginger ninja. on 14:44 - Mar 17 by wombat |
maybe go back to the central 3 players for the rest of the season
edwards
colback
varanne
should be enbough to get us over the line |
we are not going done Wombat.....surely not  | | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 15:00 - Mar 17 with 669 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The Ginger ninja. on 14:44 - Mar 17 by wombat |
maybe go back to the central 3 players for the rest of the season
edwards
colback
varanne
should be enbough to get us over the line |
Agree with this. We were at our best when we had that kind of a mix in midfield.
Edit - would like to see Morgan more involved as well. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:00]
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| The Ginger ninja. on 15:17 - Mar 17 with 634 views | robith |
| The Ginger ninja. on 13:41 - Mar 17 by gazza1 |
Yet another post knocking Colback that has no 'real meaning'...........wtf do you actually mean??.....can't stand him!!!, weirdly very little back bone!!!! abrupt busts of violence!!!!!, cant wait to see him out!!!!
At least the manager thinks he is a good player and not posters!!!! I suppose you would prefer EDB!!!! or Ashby!!!! |
Ok I'll give you numbers
In his time with us he averages a red card every 23 appearances (one for violent conduct, one for waving a fake card at the ref, both surely beneath a 35 year old man), and a yellow every 2.8, and some of those were thick old yellows - he loves suddenly trying to put in a c**t's trick of a tackle out of nowhere. He has more red cards than assists for us lol.
And on the eye test, his head is one of the first to drop. Leader of men my arse. The best ability is availability - he's managed minutes amounting to 31 games in near 2 seasons cos he's always injured or suspended.
What does whoscored say about him?
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| The Ginger ninja. on 15:23 - Mar 17 with 605 views | gazza1 |
| The Ginger ninja. on 15:17 - Mar 17 by robith |
Ok I'll give you numbers
In his time with us he averages a red card every 23 appearances (one for violent conduct, one for waving a fake card at the ref, both surely beneath a 35 year old man), and a yellow every 2.8, and some of those were thick old yellows - he loves suddenly trying to put in a c**t's trick of a tackle out of nowhere. He has more red cards than assists for us lol.
And on the eye test, his head is one of the first to drop. Leader of men my arse. The best ability is availability - he's managed minutes amounting to 31 games in near 2 seasons cos he's always injured or suspended.
What does whoscored say about him?
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Do you think our manager is decent???
Why does MC pick him whenever him if fit and available. Also listen to MC interviews, JC gets a mention frequently? Please explain.
Surely if he is as bad as you are saying he would not get a 'sniff' of the starting 11.
Your stuff is not the way I see it, all negatives basically. Your comments like many posters are very wrong and very limited. | | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 15:26 - Mar 17 with 594 views | JamesB1979 |
| The Ginger ninja. on 17:10 - Mar 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thought he was damn good.
But I wouldn't give a contract to a player who misses as many games as he does, nor to a player whose work-rate and effort are inconsistent and questionable. Unfortunately, imho, Colback falls into this category. |
Sorry to jump in here but I was also of view that we shouldn’t give him a new deal. But doesn’t it come down to wages and whether he’d be happy for more of a back-up role in the squad. Isn’t he a perfect to bring on to see games out and to occasionally start when we have injuries and suspensions? I can’t remember the games now but he has come on and done that role very well in games this season. We cannot have him next season as a starting role but I think as cover he’d be good……wages dependent of course. | | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 15:26 - Mar 17 with 592 views | OldPedro |
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| The Ginger ninja. on 15:30 - Mar 17 with 578 views | gazza1 |
| The Ginger ninja. on 15:26 - Mar 17 by OldPedro |
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Thank you Pedro......not a stats man myself but I find the passing, whom posters moan that we are not good at......79%!!!
Are you a 'ginger' supporter?? | | | |
| The Ginger ninja. on 15:30 - Mar 17 with 572 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The Ginger ninja. on 15:26 - Mar 17 by JamesB1979 |
Sorry to jump in here but I was also of view that we shouldn’t give him a new deal. But doesn’t it come down to wages and whether he’d be happy for more of a back-up role in the squad. Isn’t he a perfect to bring on to see games out and to occasionally start when we have injuries and suspensions? I can’t remember the games now but he has come on and done that role very well in games this season. We cannot have him next season as a starting role but I think as cover he’d be good……wages dependent of course. |
Very valid point.
Maybe on a (klaxon alert) pay-as-you-play deal? | |
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