| Field to Norwich 16:41 - Feb 2 with 14139 views | stevenagehoop |
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| Field to Norwich on 12:23 - Feb 3 with 1696 views | daveB |
| Field to Norwich on 11:33 - Feb 3 by nick_hammersmith |
Let's say for arguments sake that Sam is on £15k per week.
I think its really as simple as QPR's new players/contracts have moved our wage budget, and getting that £15k p/w off the payroll had to happen.
The club would probably preferred to sell, but its probably not a massive secret that we needed to get some players out to stop us going massively over budget |
Very true but we did give him that contract last summer so seems mad that suddenly we can't afford him. We could have just not given him a second new deal |  | | |
| Field to Norwich on 12:25 - Feb 3 with 1674 views | daveB |
| Field to Norwich on 12:15 - Feb 3 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Yes, I agree. Injuries notwithstanding, we should be targeting the play-offs; if we'd beaten Wrexham, we'd be sixth.
I don't understand why people keep saying next year is the one. Top-class sports people and teams are ruthless; if there's an opportunity, they take advantage of it. This season is a huge opportunity with two of the relegated teams below par and the other one not guaranteed automatic promotion. Hull, with a transfer embargo, are third!
Yes, we could do well next season but we must try and get in the play-offs, where anything goes. |
Next year you will likely have a strong Wolves, Burnley and either West Ham or Leeds making up 3 of the top 6. Plus the 8-10 teams who don't go up and will be decent again.
This is a massive opportunity for someone this year, win our next 2 games and we are right in the mix.
I personally think even if we make the playoffs we won't win them but lets give it everything to try and make them. A good end to the season and finishing top half would be a massive step forward. | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 12:38 - Feb 3 with 1563 views | BrizR |
| Field to Norwich on 12:23 - Feb 3 by daveB |
Very true but we did give him that contract last summer so seems mad that suddenly we can't afford him. We could have just not given him a second new deal |
My guess would be that last summer we weren't planning to sign Hayden like we ended up doing, and thought we'd be selling Varane this summer, so we wanted to make sure we had Field locked down so we weren't trying to replace the entire central midfield at once, especially after having a season wherethere was a pretty strong correlation between how we performed and whether Field was playing. Stephan was brand new in the job (or possibly wasn't even in role?) and wouldn't have had much/any say in it. We were also expecting to play 4-2-3-1.
Now we do have Hayden, there may not be much interest in Varane as he's been mediocre this season and now injured, we play 4-4-2 and Stephan has made clear he doesn't rate Field at all. At that point the best you can do is try and get some money out of him, whether that's a combo of loan fee/wages paid or a sale (or ideally, both). |  | | |
| Field to Norwich on 13:03 - Feb 3 with 1439 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Field to Norwich on 12:23 - Feb 3 by daveB |
Very true but we did give him that contract last summer so seems mad that suddenly we can't afford him. We could have just not given him a second new deal |
Yep, who knows anymore?
Maybe the contract extension was mandatory, an extra year at the end?
I know Nourry isn't a fan of letting 1st team players run their contracts out, so maybe this was him giving the player what they ask for to keep them on?
I don't remember feeling too upset that we were keeping him around at the time.
I'm not sure its that we can't suddenly afford him, more that the club have to shed some wages, so its Frey and Field out this time round.
Can't help but think it would have been Chair if he was fit |  | | |
| Field to Norwich on 13:07 - Feb 3 with 1420 views | JamesB1979 |
| Field to Norwich on 12:23 - Feb 3 by daveB |
Very true but we did give him that contract last summer so seems mad that suddenly we can't afford him. We could have just not given him a second new deal |
I’m not sure it can be as black and white as that. We approached him for contract extension and imagine an increase due to his good season. As of today, JS doesn’t really play him. So we may as well get him games time and get some money back. Doesn’t mean we can’t afford him but no harm in saving some cost. Must be a loan fee too I imagine. | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 13:11 - Feb 3 with 1401 views | Jimboqpr |
| Field to Norwich on 09:35 - Feb 3 by dmm |
It's good to see Nourry making this effort in his supporter communications, even if the article gives us little new info.
I thought the bit on signing Australians was rather thin: "We continue to believe strongly in the quality of the athletic and physical development that young Australian footballers receive between the ages of 10 and 16, especially in key population centres like Perth, Sydney and Melbourne." It suggests Nourry is aware there's concern about this focus on recruitment from Perth Glory. I've submitted a question about this via the 'Business & strategy Q&A' form and hope I get a better answer than that. |
I do appreciate the article as it does give some insight into the thinking and reasoning for signing and selling particular players. The line that made me laugh/cry though was 'in a position of increasing global market demand as a left-back.' to justify Pullella's signing. I find that comment a bit ridiculous. Its just as bad as when Les used to say we can't sign any strikers because they all cost the earth (two examples in our team in Burrell and Kone proving that wrong this year) so we cant have any or in this case we've had to go to Oz to get one who is only a teenager. There are LB's out there in our price range, a good deal closer than Australia and they're surely in no more or less 'global demand' than any other position on the pitch?! It annoys me every time the FB position is mentioned by someone at the club. Because our RB situation isn't much better. We're doing well to be high as we are with basically one half fit LB at the club (who isn't our player) and 2 or 3 makeshift options at RB in Mbengue, Edwards and Dunne. Its a seemingly neglected position in pretty much every transfer window and I cant see us ever reaching the playoffs until its addressed properly. [Post edited 3 Feb 13:16]
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| Field to Norwich on 13:13 - Feb 3 with 1378 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Makes even less sense to me today than it did yesterday. |  |
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| Field to Norwich on 13:14 - Feb 3 with 1364 views | derbyhoop |
| Field to Norwich on 12:22 - Feb 3 by TheChef |
"Perth, Sydney and Melbourne."
Brisbane, Adelaide and Darwin? Not so much  |
Adelaide is tiny cf Sydney/Melbourne. I don't know for certain but Darwin isn't big either.
What the ALeague does is find loads of very athletic footballers, even if the overall standard is not.much higher than our National League. |  |
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| Field to Norwich on 13:22 - Feb 3 with 1311 views | EuroRanger |
The statement from Nourry on Sam certainly doesn't read as "we've gotten better and moved on", but rather "he was unhappy with his playing situation under the current manager so we let him go temporarily and we'll rethink in the summer" | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 13:24 - Feb 3 with 1297 views | T_Block |
You said it for me Hunter.Very very important in keeping us in this division in the last few years | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 14:03 - Feb 3 with 1079 views | TheChef |
| Field to Norwich on 13:14 - Feb 3 by derbyhoop |
Adelaide is tiny cf Sydney/Melbourne. I don't know for certain but Darwin isn't big either.
What the ALeague does is find loads of very athletic footballers, even if the overall standard is not.much higher than our National League. |
Yeah well there's loads of athletic footballers in the Isthmian League too. |  |
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| Field to Norwich on 14:07 - Feb 3 with 1047 views | R_from_afar |
| Field to Norwich on 11:40 - Feb 3 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Why then after the 7-1 defeat against Coventry was Field the only one dropped completely? Why did the club bring Hayden in immediately?
That's a fact as to what happened, its not an opinion. If he was good enough he would not be sent out on loan. It happens all the time in football, brutal, but it happens.
JS has got us playing better football than MC and challenging for playoffs. That's improvement.
How is any of what I'm saying disrespectful if it's fact? |
"If he was good enough he would not be sent out on loan".
The buying, selling and loaning of players is not just about the player's ability, though. There are other factors, like balancing the books, the whims of the current manager/coach and/or the board, the player's own wishes...
See also: Blackstock, Dexter. |  |
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| Field to Norwich on 14:35 - Feb 3 with 895 views | QPR_Hibs |
| Field to Norwich on 12:25 - Feb 3 by daveB |
Next year you will likely have a strong Wolves, Burnley and either West Ham or Leeds making up 3 of the top 6. Plus the 8-10 teams who don't go up and will be decent again.
This is a massive opportunity for someone this year, win our next 2 games and we are right in the mix.
I personally think even if we make the playoffs we won't win them but lets give it everything to try and make them. A good end to the season and finishing top half would be a massive step forward. |
Don't we say this every year though?
Last season we could have said: Next year you will likely have a strong Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton making up 3 of the top 6. Plus the 8-10 teams who don't go up and will be decent again. And big spending Birmingham and Wrexham are coming up from League One.
OK, maybe not Leicester so much! |  |
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| Field to Norwich on 14:35 - Feb 3 with 892 views | Lblock |
| Field to Norwich on 12:25 - Feb 3 by daveB |
Next year you will likely have a strong Wolves, Burnley and either West Ham or Leeds making up 3 of the top 6. Plus the 8-10 teams who don't go up and will be decent again.
This is a massive opportunity for someone this year, win our next 2 games and we are right in the mix.
I personally think even if we make the playoffs we won't win them but lets give it everything to try and make them. A good end to the season and finishing top half would be a massive step forward. |
Exactly where I'm at.
I would have been ADDING a few more Sam Field types with some deals heavily weighted towards win bonuses and table position this season.
Everyone to a man on here thinks we are running Madsen on red and he could pull him injured anytime.
Field is a different position / player but I'm not seeing many warm bodies as options centre mid. To let him go is one thing but zero coming the other way? Pah.... mid table acceptance is such a bore.... maybe we've got a death sprial planned?!!!
My final thoughts are.... all the best Sam... you did us proud. |  |
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| Field to Norwich on 14:37 - Feb 3 with 882 views | daveB |
| Field to Norwich on 13:07 - Feb 3 by JamesB1979 |
I’m not sure it can be as black and white as that. We approached him for contract extension and imagine an increase due to his good season. As of today, JS doesn’t really play him. So we may as well get him games time and get some money back. Doesn’t mean we can’t afford him but no harm in saving some cost. Must be a loan fee too I imagine. |
He got a new deal in january and another one in June, I think they did it the same as with Frey to spread his wages over a longer deal so spread the money out. I might be wrong on that but I'm not sure why else you'd give out 2 contracts so close to each other. | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 14:40 - Feb 3 with 868 views | daveB |
| Field to Norwich on 14:35 - Feb 3 by QPR_Hibs |
Don't we say this every year though?
Last season we could have said: Next year you will likely have a strong Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton making up 3 of the top 6. Plus the 8-10 teams who don't go up and will be decent again. And big spending Birmingham and Wrexham are coming up from League One.
OK, maybe not Leicester so much! |
I do think this is a weird league this year with 2 of the 3 relegated sides not being very good, that doesn't happen very often, once in every 4/5 years. I'm not saying next year is a write off of course we can do well next season but the league is wide open this year, a top 6 place is there for someone this year, some of the teams in and around it are really not that brilliant and I'd include us in that bracket. | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 15:32 - Feb 3 with 722 views | kensalriser |
Next year is going to be so tough it'll be impossible for more than two teams to go up and at least four will go down. |  |
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| Field to Norwich on 15:34 - Feb 3 with 715 views | rbee |
| Field to Norwich on 13:13 - Feb 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
Makes even less sense to me today than it did yesterday. |
For me it depends on whether we inserted a recall clause or not. We really should have done knowing our injury record. |  | | |
| Field to Norwich on 15:38 - Feb 3 with 704 views | Northernr |
| Field to Norwich on 15:34 - Feb 3 by rbee |
For me it depends on whether we inserted a recall clause or not. We really should have done knowing our injury record. |
Don't think this is a thing now. Season long or half season loans only, can only recall in the transfer window. |  | | |
| Field to Norwich on 15:40 - Feb 3 with 689 views | TK1 |
| Field to Norwich on 12:23 - Feb 3 by daveB |
Very true but we did give him that contract last summer so seems mad that suddenly we can't afford him. We could have just not given him a second new deal |
or not signed Ronnie Edwards? | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 15:51 - Feb 3 with 644 views | QPROslo |
| Field to Norwich on 14:40 - Feb 3 by daveB |
I do think this is a weird league this year with 2 of the 3 relegated sides not being very good, that doesn't happen very often, once in every 4/5 years. I'm not saying next year is a write off of course we can do well next season but the league is wide open this year, a top 6 place is there for someone this year, some of the teams in and around it are really not that brilliant and I'd include us in that bracket. |
Judging them just on Saturday, Coventry could be included in that bracket as well. | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 15:58 - Feb 3 with 623 views | Hunterhoop |
The reality is, we have a CEO/DOF who loves playing “Football Manager” (a reference to the PC game, all, not team selection) and has openly communicated our strategy of Player Trading, so he will want to be bringing in and moving on as many players as he can. We also have a Head Coach who, for whatever reason, took against Sam Field. And, finally, because of the Player Trading and all the spending we have done, we need money in through the door or salaries off our books.
Those three things together created this move. I don’t think longer term thinking around culture, around squad balance, around a strategy of creating an environment into which to blood the young, high potential players so they succeed as best they can was really considered. It is a shorter term focus, IMO. If it wasn’t, the DOF and HC would have been discussing the situation and getting him more game time (not going up or down), so he could step in next season when Varane is sold and the new “young, high potential” signing needs a season to bed in. And by giving him more minutes season to date, he wouldn’t have wanted to go somewhere else to play football. There were ample opportunities to rest/drop Varane and play Field.
It might be the right call (I don’t think it is - but I could be wrong) but I really don’t think we’re half as strategic as some think. We are Player Trading. We’re spending money - lots of it. We want players who we think we can sell for more. And if the Head Coach doesn’t want to play you, you’re dead weight best thrown overboard, ideally for some cash.
It’s short term thinking, data-led wheeler dealing, with an overarching model termed Player Trading as the label.
I agree with Player Trading, but would prefer a tad more balance in approach and a tad more long term thinking. All squads need Cooks, Fields, Dunnes. We likely will only have one of them next season…that feels a gamble and short sighted. |  | | |
| Field to Norwich on 16:14 - Feb 3 with 569 views | rbee |
| Field to Norwich on 15:38 - Feb 3 by Northernr |
Don't think this is a thing now. Season long or half season loans only, can only recall in the transfer window. |
Yes I did Google the question and there are mentions of the transfer window but also that you can insert any clauses you wish so long as both parties agree. | | | |
| Field to Norwich on 16:37 - Feb 3 with 487 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Field to Norwich on 16:14 - Feb 3 by rbee |
Yes I did Google the question and there are mentions of the transfer window but also that you can insert any clauses you wish so long as both parties agree. |
I think - think - that the problem is that even if you could recall a player at any stage, you can't register them outside of the transfer windows, so there's no advantage to the recall? | |
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| Field to Norwich on 16:50 - Feb 3 with 445 views | TK1 |
| Field to Norwich on 15:58 - Feb 3 by Hunterhoop |
The reality is, we have a CEO/DOF who loves playing “Football Manager” (a reference to the PC game, all, not team selection) and has openly communicated our strategy of Player Trading, so he will want to be bringing in and moving on as many players as he can. We also have a Head Coach who, for whatever reason, took against Sam Field. And, finally, because of the Player Trading and all the spending we have done, we need money in through the door or salaries off our books.
Those three things together created this move. I don’t think longer term thinking around culture, around squad balance, around a strategy of creating an environment into which to blood the young, high potential players so they succeed as best they can was really considered. It is a shorter term focus, IMO. If it wasn’t, the DOF and HC would have been discussing the situation and getting him more game time (not going up or down), so he could step in next season when Varane is sold and the new “young, high potential” signing needs a season to bed in. And by giving him more minutes season to date, he wouldn’t have wanted to go somewhere else to play football. There were ample opportunities to rest/drop Varane and play Field.
It might be the right call (I don’t think it is - but I could be wrong) but I really don’t think we’re half as strategic as some think. We are Player Trading. We’re spending money - lots of it. We want players who we think we can sell for more. And if the Head Coach doesn’t want to play you, you’re dead weight best thrown overboard, ideally for some cash.
It’s short term thinking, data-led wheeler dealing, with an overarching model termed Player Trading as the label.
I agree with Player Trading, but would prefer a tad more balance in approach and a tad more long term thinking. All squads need Cooks, Fields, Dunnes. We likely will only have one of them next season…that feels a gamble and short sighted. |
We will have Hayden though. Hayden, Dunne, Chair, possibly RND (who I wouldn't keep purely on robustness but fills the experienced head brief). Jake Clark Salter is still employed as a player.
So, lose Cook, lose Field from seniors.
Still have Dunne, Hayden, Chair. Paul Smyth is 28 and has over 100 Championship games. Possibly RND. JCS. I like teams to have an experienced keeper, so I would recruit one of those too.
I don't think the foundations of the squad collapse with Field leaving - Cook may prove a bigger miss. But there's quite a lot of experience still.
Plus all the mainstays from this season will have quite a few games under their belts now, a season wiser. | | | |
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