| A turn of Frey's 13:34 - Mar 17 with 2513 views | Jules4367 |
At the start of the games he plays, I have noticed he runs and runs and puts in a lot of effort and I am not going to fault that.
However, at a point in each game, it is clear that his legs have gone, we can all see it and he becomes Harry Kane-ish (at the Euros or World Cup) whereby he simply jogs back and forth across the field with no pace, no pressing and, as with Kane, becomes a liability more than an asset.
I also do not understand what he is expected to do (this is NOT his fault) but time and again a long ball is played up to him for him to head on and yet there is seldom anyone there.
My questions therefore are why do we not take him off, when his legs have clearly gone? (I would even prefer Ashby  running at people and pressing as opposed to a non-presence jogging around) and what are the tactics for him being alone and heading the ball to no-one? |  | | |  |
| A turn of Frey's on 13:35 - Mar 17 with 2502 views | GaryHaddock |
No one to replace him on Saturday. |  | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 13:47 - Mar 17 with 2430 views | TheChef |
| A turn of Frey's on 13:35 - Mar 17 by GaryHaddock |
No one to replace him on Saturday. |
Exactly.
I don't think he was able to play the full 90 minutes but he had no choice - just kept going as well as he could.
Loved how he just dropped to the floor at the final whistle  |  |
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| A turn of Frey's on 13:57 - Mar 17 with 2359 views | Northernr |
I said this briefly on another thread but I think with Frey, his injuries, body shape, style etc ideally he'd probably be your 3rd or 4th striker out of 4. Something a bit different for late in games or specific tasks. If you are going to start him then, like you say, you want to be taking him off for something else after an hour.
We've been slightly unlucky to have Celar and Kolli injured, but even with everybody fit Frey is your first choice striker. I don't think that would be the case at many other Championship clubs. Celar is 1/2, and so far he doesn't look to be very good. Kolli, who should be your promising kid from the academy as option 4/5 is actually our option 2/3 and fast approaching 1. Then you've got Alfie Lloyd who seems like a great kid but is a long way shy of the level.
That's the squad we've put together.
I feared for us on Saturday when it got to 2-2 because look along that bench and, really, what is there for the manager there to impact that game? Meanwhile Leeds are bringing on Gnonto. |  | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 14:17 - Mar 17 with 2277 views | wombat |
| A turn of Frey's on 13:57 - Mar 17 by Northernr |
I said this briefly on another thread but I think with Frey, his injuries, body shape, style etc ideally he'd probably be your 3rd or 4th striker out of 4. Something a bit different for late in games or specific tasks. If you are going to start him then, like you say, you want to be taking him off for something else after an hour.
We've been slightly unlucky to have Celar and Kolli injured, but even with everybody fit Frey is your first choice striker. I don't think that would be the case at many other Championship clubs. Celar is 1/2, and so far he doesn't look to be very good. Kolli, who should be your promising kid from the academy as option 4/5 is actually our option 2/3 and fast approaching 1. Then you've got Alfie Lloyd who seems like a great kid but is a long way shy of the level.
That's the squad we've put together.
I feared for us on Saturday when it got to 2-2 because look along that bench and, really, what is there for the manager there to impact that game? Meanwhile Leeds are bringing on Gnonto. |
if we are being brutally honest not one of our four strikers when fit would start at any other club in the championship.
lloyd love him but hes like a labrador with adhd
frey div 2 at best
kolli need a season in the lower league badly
celar wrong type of striker for this squad
this summers annual rebuild is gonna be massive even by our usual annual squad rebuild |  |
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| A turn of Frey's on 14:49 - Mar 17 with 2166 views | gazza1 |
| A turn of Frey's on 13:57 - Mar 17 by Northernr |
I said this briefly on another thread but I think with Frey, his injuries, body shape, style etc ideally he'd probably be your 3rd or 4th striker out of 4. Something a bit different for late in games or specific tasks. If you are going to start him then, like you say, you want to be taking him off for something else after an hour.
We've been slightly unlucky to have Celar and Kolli injured, but even with everybody fit Frey is your first choice striker. I don't think that would be the case at many other Championship clubs. Celar is 1/2, and so far he doesn't look to be very good. Kolli, who should be your promising kid from the academy as option 4/5 is actually our option 2/3 and fast approaching 1. Then you've got Alfie Lloyd who seems like a great kid but is a long way shy of the level.
That's the squad we've put together.
I feared for us on Saturday when it got to 2-2 because look along that bench and, really, what is there for the manager there to impact that game? Meanwhile Leeds are bringing on Gnonto. |
I would just say, simply, we have some pretty average strikers.......at best.
Spend all our available transfer money on 2 good strikers in the summer. | | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 15:01 - Mar 17 with 2135 views | GaryHaddock |
Am I the sole member of the ‘Kolli is Mustard’ club?
I know he’s injured but he should be starting every game for me. He’s got a quiet game in him every 1 in 3 but he’s young and that’s pretty common.
I feel like he can play up on his own too, which no one else can. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:02]
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| A turn of Frey's on 15:05 - Mar 17 with 2099 views | gazza1 |
| A turn of Frey's on 15:01 - Mar 17 by GaryHaddock |
Am I the sole member of the ‘Kolli is Mustard’ club?
I know he’s injured but he should be starting every game for me. He’s got a quiet game in him every 1 in 3 but he’s young and that’s pretty common.
I feel like he can play up on his own too, which no one else can. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:02]
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The jury is still out on him for me.....just cannot make my mind up. Scored a couple of decent goals. He does need to get better though.
Id keep him about Kelman though, just to see him more. | | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 15:06 - Mar 17 with 2093 views | Loyalitat |
| A turn of Frey's on 14:17 - Mar 17 by wombat |
if we are being brutally honest not one of our four strikers when fit would start at any other club in the championship.
lloyd love him but hes like a labrador with adhd
frey div 2 at best
kolli need a season in the lower league badly
celar wrong type of striker for this squad
this summers annual rebuild is gonna be massive even by our usual annual squad rebuild |
I'd have to respectfully disagree.
Frey is no prolific marksman, but to suggest that he's division two at best, is you stating that in jest. He's got 7 league goals in 25 games, 8 in 26 in total, which would suggest that he's scoring at a rate that is ahead of his peers currently on 8 goals. Even Cannon only has two more (9) in 30 games.
If he's division two at best, so must they be too.
He's an upgrade on his predecessor, whom we had to endure for four years and got progessively worse year-on-year.
I thought that his efforts on Saturday, against the best team in the league in my view, were highly commendable. Of course, in the ideal world, we would like to have better than him, but for the foreseeable, that's unlikely to happen. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:17]
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| A turn of Frey's on 15:20 - Mar 17 with 2061 views | Paddyhoops |
Leauge 2 is pushing it a bit . He’s limited but, I know a lot won’t agree . He’s an upgrade on Dykes who bless him continually flattered to deceive. | | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 16:10 - Mar 17 with 1947 views | kensalriser |
Take a look at Bristol City's lineup for their defeat of Norwich on Saturday.
Wells and Mehmeti starting upfront with Twine replacing Mehmeti and Armstrong replacing Wells. I'll pass commenting on Armstrong, but if the other three were at QPR we'd be flogging them to death. We are way behind the upper mid table sides with our forward options. |  |
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| A turn of Frey's on 16:36 - Mar 17 with 1891 views | Lblock |
I’m a big fan of Frey
His movement in the box isn’t given the credit he deserves
It’s a shame he’s having to do it all and not just concentrate on getting into the box and finishing chances as we don’t create too many!
Michey gives 100%
He don’t get bullied
He’s got a turn of skill and can pass
Can finish but is probably a one in four man
People seem to only see a lack of pace - he brings other attributes. We do need much much much more pace in the side but I’m not going to criticise Frey for not having something he never did.
I’d 100% keep him for next season |  |
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| A turn of Frey's on 16:40 - Mar 17 with 1881 views | Hunterhoop |
| A turn of Frey's on 16:10 - Mar 17 by kensalriser |
Take a look at Bristol City's lineup for their defeat of Norwich on Saturday.
Wells and Mehmeti starting upfront with Twine replacing Mehmeti and Armstrong replacing Wells. I'll pass commenting on Armstrong, but if the other three were at QPR we'd be flogging them to death. We are way behind the upper mid table sides with our forward options. |
Hold on here. Mehmeti is comparable to Chair, and Twine likewise. They aren’t genuine forwards, they’re attacking midfielders/wide forwards, like Smyth, Chair, Saito, Dembele.
Let’s compare like for like here.
I don’t disagree with the broader point. We are miles behind the upper mid table on centre forward options. Completely agree. It’s been stark since last summer and I couldn’t believe we only went in with Celar and Frey as forwards, not counting two youth lads. Surely we cannot do the same again?!
Just not sure those Brizzle players are the right comparison. |  | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 16:41 - Mar 17 with 1876 views | GaryHaddock |
| A turn of Frey's on 15:05 - Mar 17 by gazza1 |
The jury is still out on him for me.....just cannot make my mind up. Scored a couple of decent goals. He does need to get better though.
Id keep him about Kelman though, just to see him more. |
Kelman just signed a new four year deal.
On the offy. | | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 16:50 - Mar 17 with 1848 views | Gloucs_R |
| A turn of Frey's on 16:41 - Mar 17 by GaryHaddock |
Kelman just signed a new four year deal.
On the offy. |
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| A turn of Frey's on 18:15 - Mar 17 with 1607 views | stainrods_elbow |
| A turn of Frey's on 14:17 - Mar 17 by wombat |
if we are being brutally honest not one of our four strikers when fit would start at any other club in the championship.
lloyd love him but hes like a labrador with adhd
frey div 2 at best
kolli need a season in the lower league badly
celar wrong type of striker for this squad
this summers annual rebuild is gonna be massive even by our usual annual squad rebuild |
But would you trust Marti, Belk, and Nourry to do it? Their record in the market so far hardly convinces me. |  |
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| A turn of Frey's on 18:27 - Mar 17 with 1600 views | ParkRoyalR |
How you view our Strikers I think is related to how you view modern day Championship football and there are Posters on this Forum who know more about modern day formations & tactics than I do.
Celar I think could come good - similar to 1st season Willock, Celar needs to adjust to physicality of Championship football as is mobile, has a decent touch and can beat a man.
Kolli I rate - although not sure if as playing as a 10 in the middle, in effect a 2nd striker.
Lloyd I like - and was really impressed with his touch & control in a recent home game when he came on to see the game out; good squad player, time will tell if he can cut it at Championship level.
Frey I just don't get - has a decent touch, can lay off a ball, but cannot jump, win headers, run or press, probably the most important criteria for a Championship lone striker as is being able to press for 70+minutes, whereas he was blowing out of his arse after 20 minutes on Saturday, meaning ball-playing Centre Halves like say Morrison just walk through our first line of defence.
A mix of Idrissa Sylla (where you turn to your pal and say'did he mean to that') and Devon White (fans favourite not sure why or for how long) I actually think for all his bulk he actually lacks strength (compared to Lloyd) and for his undoubted height the likes of Kolli & Saito out-jump him.
I still think Celar could come good next season but most clubs on our budget play with a physical target man and not sure he's that, but if Marti stays, maybe we become the footballing side he wants and are'nt so reliant on a mobile target man to bring the 10's into the game. | | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 19:00 - Mar 17 with 1524 views | LazyFan |
| A turn of Frey's on 15:06 - Mar 17 by Loyalitat |
I'd have to respectfully disagree.
Frey is no prolific marksman, but to suggest that he's division two at best, is you stating that in jest. He's got 7 league goals in 25 games, 8 in 26 in total, which would suggest that he's scoring at a rate that is ahead of his peers currently on 8 goals. Even Cannon only has two more (9) in 30 games.
If he's division two at best, so must they be too.
He's an upgrade on his predecessor, whom we had to endure for four years and got progessively worse year-on-year.
I thought that his efforts on Saturday, against the best team in the league in my view, were highly commendable. Of course, in the ideal world, we would like to have better than him, but for the foreseeable, that's unlikely to happen. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:17]
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I am with you.
He's definitely Champ material. As others have said, he runs great and then needs to be subbed.
Dykes has shown what is not Champ material and we did great to offload him. Celar has not worked out, we need to try again. Our real problem is that we don't have a sub for Frey, and that needs to be fixed for next season.
Assuming we survive this one, getting back to squeaky bum moments if this carries on.
Stoke is a big game for us and even bigger for them. |  |
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| A turn of Frey's on 20:04 - Mar 17 with 1364 views | GaryHaddock |
| A turn of Frey's on 16:50 - Mar 17 by Gloucs_R |
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That was for gazza but he didn’t bite : ) | | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 21:37 - Mar 17 with 1179 views | PlanetHonneywood |
In the summer, Pep will have a rethink and decide to go with two strikers up top. He'll be hailed a genius for thinking of this and the next thing, we'll all be doing it. Again!
I wonder if the strikers we have would benefit from playing as a partnership as opposed to a lone ranger? |  |
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| A turn of Frey's on 08:55 - Mar 18 with 813 views | numptydumpty |
| A turn of Frey's on 21:37 - Mar 17 by PlanetHonneywood |
In the summer, Pep will have a rethink and decide to go with two strikers up top. He'll be hailed a genius for thinking of this and the next thing, we'll all be doing it. Again!
I wonder if the strikers we have would benefit from playing as a partnership as opposed to a lone ranger? |
Frey gives it his all, is decent with his finishing, and a proper target man with a deceptively chaotic but reasonable level of control.
Considering others comments, during the Leeds game, I was thinking, at last we have an old school centre forward, that has remained elusive for us, for number of years.
Definitely feel Kolli will be decent too.
Lloyd is league one at best for me and Celar, yes he had two good finishes, but for me, if we can get rid, then absolutely would.
Kelman deserves a chance and if not loan / sell in January, but again, I think with Charlie, he could be decent.
Leaves us one spot to sign the next big thing !!!
Sorted. Simple as !!! |  |
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| A turn of Frey's on 09:34 - Mar 18 with 736 views | JamieNaz |
Frey runs like he's got no knees. | | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 09:38 - Mar 18 with 725 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| A turn of Frey's on 15:06 - Mar 17 by Loyalitat |
I'd have to respectfully disagree.
Frey is no prolific marksman, but to suggest that he's division two at best, is you stating that in jest. He's got 7 league goals in 25 games, 8 in 26 in total, which would suggest that he's scoring at a rate that is ahead of his peers currently on 8 goals. Even Cannon only has two more (9) in 30 games.
If he's division two at best, so must they be too.
He's an upgrade on his predecessor, whom we had to endure for four years and got progessively worse year-on-year.
I thought that his efforts on Saturday, against the best team in the league in my view, were highly commendable. Of course, in the ideal world, we would like to have better than him, but for the foreseeable, that's unlikely to happen. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:17]
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Frey has shown this season he is clearly Championship level when fit: the stats show this.
Not his fault that all our other forwards are injured and he’s been overplayed.
He gave the Leeds defence a hard time on his own on Saturday with his strength and tenacity. |  | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 09:57 - Mar 18 with 657 views | wombat |
| A turn of Frey's on 15:01 - Mar 17 by GaryHaddock |
Am I the sole member of the ‘Kolli is Mustard’ club?
I know he’s injured but he should be starting every game for me. He’s got a quiet game in him every 1 in 3 but he’s young and that’s pretty common.
I feel like he can play up on his own too, which no one else can. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:02]
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he hits the ground way to easily to at the moment play up front on his own , he did it over xmas at norwich and after the fell over the third time the ref had had enough and ignored him for the rest of the game , hes got skill but honestly see him as a 10 not a striker to be honest | |
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| A turn of Frey's on 09:59 - Mar 18 with 648 views | Geoff78 |
As ever we need to be realistic. We may uncover a 20 goal a season striker in the lower divisions, but they are as rare as hen's teeth. We've done ok to find the 4 strikers we have. Celar needs time, and we probably need to play more on the ground through the middle to get the best out of him. May not work but too soon to write him off.
Michi has clear limitations, but I thought his aggression and physicality were vital for us in setting the tone on Saturday. We'd have been much worse without him.
I'm doubtful Lloyd will make it, but he's the sort of lower league gamble we have to take. Kolli could be the real deal, but then he'll be off in a year or so, hopefully for a decent fee. | | | |
| A turn of Frey's on 12:44 - Mar 18 with 478 views | kensalriser |
| A turn of Frey's on 16:40 - Mar 17 by Hunterhoop |
Hold on here. Mehmeti is comparable to Chair, and Twine likewise. They aren’t genuine forwards, they’re attacking midfielders/wide forwards, like Smyth, Chair, Saito, Dembele.
Let’s compare like for like here.
I don’t disagree with the broader point. We are miles behind the upper mid table on centre forward options. Completely agree. It’s been stark since last summer and I couldn’t believe we only went in with Celar and Frey as forwards, not counting two youth lads. Surely we cannot do the same again?!
Just not sure those Brizzle players are the right comparison. |
I don't disagree either!
Let's not let the semantics of strikers/forwards/attackers obscure the point - although Mehmeti and Twine are both classified as forwards by their club. If you do want to compare Mehmeti to Chair, he's their highest scoring player with 12 goals this season. Chair's best total for a season is 9.
City are going to have a problem in the summer though as Wells surely can't be good for another full season as a starter and Armstrong isn't the answer. | |
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