| Stephan on 22:56 - Feb 24 with 3294 views | ozexile |
I don't like the tone of this interview. Seems like he's reading from a script. It also seems to me that the club are willing to completely sacrifice 1 of the fixtures in a 3 game week. They decided this was the tough one and sack it off. |  | |  |
| Stephan on 22:58 - Feb 24 with 3275 views | JamesB1979 |
| Stephan on 22:56 - Feb 24 by ozexile |
I don't like the tone of this interview. Seems like he's reading from a script. It also seems to me that the club are willing to completely sacrifice 1 of the fixtures in a 3 game week. They decided this was the tough one and sack it off. |
If they wanted to “sack it off”, maybe they should have rested Kone,Dunne and Madsen. We can’t even sack a game off properly. | | | |
| Stephan on 23:00 - Feb 24 with 3241 views | Logman |
Zut alors, I hope his backroom team have got their fingers on the pulse.... | | | |
| Stephan on 23:02 - Feb 24 with 3223 views | ted_hendrix |
What he say's means nothing to me, results mean everything to me. |  |
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| Stephan on 23:05 - Feb 24 with 3180 views | numptydumpty |
To be honest, i agreed with everything he was saying and why he was saying this publicly and think its a better post match interview than Holloway would have done who would have gone all out on his players and so often under Holloway we went on long losing streaks as well as long winning streaks likewise.
But its true we were more than in the game until the second goal at such a bad time.
And if he throws all the players under the bus after that publicly, even though it shouldnt, that could deflate players even more.
i think most of the team know tonight was not acceptable and there has to be an immediate reaction.
Think that interview is psychollogically well thought out. ie we need the players to be fighting and competing in the next game, not frightened of making more mistakes.
He has history this season, in that on a few occasions we have been dreadful and next game has been like chalk and cheese.
For me, if he goes all out that was a disgrace a la Holloway, we go on a losing streak. This way we could turn it around at the weekend.
And am sure those sentiments were not the same as done in the dressing room. He will be pointing out all sorts of errors and tbf i think its not good to publicly humilate a team. The game itself has already done that.
We want a reaction, next game. Not a futher capitulation. |  |
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| Stephan on 23:25 - Feb 24 with 3051 views | numptydumpty |
We have had an ok season for us.
I saw the recent Holloway rant and was actually saddened to see it. The man did not look well.
Just because Stephan doesnt rant in public, doesnt mean he doesnt care or isnt embarrassed by this performance.
You dont like him. You have made that clear many times.
He is halfway decent for me and better than most of our recent incumbents. i am happy to stick with Stephan. Chopping and changing managers all the time, gets you nowhere in the long term. | |
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| Stephan on 23:28 - Feb 24 with 3037 views | ted_hendrix |
IH has got Swindon Fifth In the table and going well. | |
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| Stephan on 23:36 - Feb 24 with 2983 views | Logman |
| Stephan on 23:25 - Feb 24 by numptydumpty |
We have had an ok season for us.
I saw the recent Holloway rant and was actually saddened to see it. The man did not look well.
Just because Stephan doesnt rant in public, doesnt mean he doesnt care or isnt embarrassed by this performance.
You dont like him. You have made that clear many times.
He is halfway decent for me and better than most of our recent incumbents. i am happy to stick with Stephan. Chopping and changing managers all the time, gets you nowhere in the long term. |
It's not impressive. Only in his pre-match interview was he talking about the importance of consistency. It makes a mockery of that interview.
He says that it's his responsibility. I know that is standard manager speak after a heavy loss but he needs to be more specific and actually say that we were not strong and cohesive enough as a team and to hint at what he is going to do to remedy it.
When you lose 5-0 and could have lost by more you kind of need to tell things for what they are. | | | |
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| Stephan on 23:37 - Feb 24 with 2969 views | numptydumpty |
| Stephan on 23:28 - Feb 24 by ted_hendrix |
IH has got Swindon Fifth In the table and going well. |
In league two.
His last three seasons here, we finished 18th, 16th and 21st.
We are much better placed currently and dont go on long losing streaks.
His best days are long gone now. Blackpool 15 years ago, was his peak. Be great achievement for him if he could get Swindon promoted though. | |
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| Stephan on 23:48 - Feb 24 with 2872 views | ted_hendrix |
| Stephan on 23:37 - Feb 24 by numptydumpty |
In league two.
His last three seasons here, we finished 18th, 16th and 21st.
We are much better placed currently and dont go on long losing streaks.
His best days are long gone now. Blackpool 15 years ago, was his peak. Be great achievement for him if he could get Swindon promoted though. |
2004 we were stood In the away end at Hillsborough at full time as IH came out to celebrate with us fans.
One of the highlights for me was IH and that daft grin on his face, moments like that are rare and IH gave us that moment for which I'll be forever grateful. | |
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| Stephan on 00:18 - Feb 25 with 2769 views | Northernr |
If you keep changing the manager and things stay the same then the manager isn't the reason for that. |  | | |
| Stephan on 07:00 - Feb 25 with 2456 views | Bluce_Ree |
| Stephan on 00:18 - Feb 25 by Northernr |
If you keep changing the manager and things stay the same then the manager isn't the reason for that. |
It's the CURSE. |  |
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| Stephan on 07:00 - Feb 25 with 2449 views | Lblock |
| Stephan on 23:25 - Feb 24 by numptydumpty |
We have had an ok season for us.
I saw the recent Holloway rant and was actually saddened to see it. The man did not look well.
Just because Stephan doesnt rant in public, doesnt mean he doesnt care or isnt embarrassed by this performance.
You dont like him. You have made that clear many times.
He is halfway decent for me and better than most of our recent incumbents. i am happy to stick with Stephan. Chopping and changing managers all the time, gets you nowhere in the long term. |
“We have had an ok season for us.“
And there you have it.
We Accept 16th For Little Old QPR Fan Club
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| Stephan on 07:12 - Feb 25 with 2394 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Stephan on 07:00 - Feb 25 by Lblock |
“We have had an ok season for us.“
And there you have it.
We Accept 16th For Little Old QPR Fan Club
#Standards |
A very young, injury ravaged squad losses heavily away against a newly relegated team with parachute payments.
#Perspective. | |
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| Stephan on 07:25 - Feb 25 with 2330 views | NorthantsHoop |
What I took away from last night was that basically Southampton have better players, whereas at Hull we could match them, because they are not as good as Southampton. If we had access to two or three of our injured better players we might have had a chance of getting something, but when you look at the players we brought on you sort of knew we could not match Southampton and being two or three down, the game had gone. Southampton are an improving well financed team with Prem parachute money who for me look in a strong position for the play offs and have been performing below par this season but and are now getting into gear. We are inconsistent and don't have the resources to kick on, the results at Hull and last night as well as against Blackburn tell us this. The manager knows this, but he has a duty to get a tune out of his players at his disposal at the next game, especially at home. Sheffield United and Boro are going to be two tough matches, one is a bit like Southampton under cooked this season, while the other is a top team at the moment in this division. This is overall a better season for us than last year but are we are falling into our usual early late winter/early spring slump, it's a trend which has dogged us since we left the Prem in 2015. [Post edited 25 Feb 7:25]
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| Stephan on 07:31 - Feb 25 with 2282 views | Hunterhoop |
| Stephan on 07:25 - Feb 25 by NorthantsHoop |
What I took away from last night was that basically Southampton have better players, whereas at Hull we could match them, because they are not as good as Southampton. If we had access to two or three of our injured better players we might have had a chance of getting something, but when you look at the players we brought on you sort of knew we could not match Southampton and being two or three down, the game had gone. Southampton are an improving well financed team with Prem parachute money who for me look in a strong position for the play offs and have been performing below par this season but and are now getting into gear. We are inconsistent and don't have the resources to kick on, the results at Hull and last night as well as against Blackburn tell us this. The manager knows this, but he has a duty to get a tune out of his players at his disposal at the next game, especially at home. Sheffield United and Boro are going to be two tough matches, one is a bit like Southampton under cooked this season, while the other is a top team at the moment in this division. This is overall a better season for us than last year but are we are falling into our usual early late winter/early spring slump, it's a trend which has dogged us since we left the Prem in 2015. [Post edited 25 Feb 7:25]
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It’s only a better season than last year if we finish higher up in the league, surely? At a push you could argue it’s a better season if we’re in the same position but we have developed one of our youth players into a starter, or we sell someone for big bucks to fund further investment and protect our PSR position.
At present there is a risk none of those will have happened. And this squad has had a lot more spent on it than last season’s so we really should be better than last season. |  | | |
| Stephan on 07:35 - Feb 25 with 2253 views | RuislipHoop |
Ii doesn’t matter who the manager is or what he’s says,the results are always the same.14 yrs of mismanagement have left this club bereft of money and talent.This will never change in my lifetime or in the lifetime of most of our supporters.We have an owner who is putting 2 mil a month into the club to keep us afloat. | | | |
| Stephan on 07:41 - Feb 25 with 2212 views | JamesB1979 |
They do have better players. That’s why it’s right to question the way the manager has set them up….again.
Morgan looks like he’s got worse. And Vale in central midfield? Not sure he can do that. Will leave Hayden and Varane for me. Not going to be pretty but better than the other options. | | | |
| Stephan on 07:54 - Feb 25 with 2137 views | Mr_Beef |
The manager isn't the biggest problem here. If for the second year in a row you have five, six, seven players out at a time through injury then you're going to struggle.
Many of these are muscle injuries. For some players, Chair and Obikwu for example, we're not even told what the injuries are. The lack of transparency seen at other clubs on this and other areas of the club's work are damaging to trust. More to the point it raises the question of what they are trying to hide. |  | | |
| Stephan on 08:04 - Feb 25 with 2080 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stephan on 00:18 - Feb 25 by Northernr |
If you keep changing the manager and things stay the same then the manager isn't the reason for that. |
That looks logical and plausible, Northern (and I've noticed you like to repeat it), but it could use a lot more critical unpacking, I would suggest.
First, it assumes managers are independent variables, whom one can somehow analytically separate and say, therefore, they're the problem or they're not the problem. But they're not - they're part of a systemic structure (recruitment, budgets, ownership etc.). Different managers, moreover, may all fail for different reasons. That doesn’t prove the manager role is irrelevant, or there are no differences between good ones and bad ones — just that the environment may be overpowering them, or that they're not good enough at their job, or both.
Second, our managers may be badly chosen for different reasons - or (which would be very QPR) the same reasons. Neither Cifuentes, Beale, Ainsworth, nor Stephan had any experience of coaching in the Champ, for instance. Does that give anyone at the club even a spoonful of food for thought?
Third, correlation is not causation. If the flawed pattern of hiring is the same, the club isn't really testing whether managers matter as much as blooding them within the same broken structure. It's 'rinse and repeat' - but not in a good way.
Fourth (and this is, of course, a wider problem in football), there is the question of time. If, for example, our management model is tethered to youth development cycles, a good manager needs time so that his methods can be properly evaluated. In this case, I would suggest, we still need to see evidence as quickly as possible that the manager is helping players to improve, telling it as it is, at least trying to play decent football, and enhancing the culture of the club, none of which I see with JS.
Fifth, the myth of monocausality (i.e. one factor is or isn't the problem). I think there are a lot of things wrong with QPR over a long period - disinvolved/inexpert owners, a culture of mediocrity, (very) mixed recruitment, financial problems, medical/fitness issues, and/or tactical failings. It might not be 'either-or' as much as 'both-and' - the club hasn't been good enough, and neither are our managers.
Clearly, as well, many of these factors may overlap.
In the end, what this means is, I think, our problems could indeed be (and almost certainly are) systemic, but this does not mean that the choice of manager is irrelevant. A good coach, given time and resources, could still succeed, or at least do better, than what we've been seeing in recent years. Even if that looks a forlorn hope this morning. [Post edited 25 Feb 8:06]
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| Stephan on 08:10 - Feb 25 with 2032 views | MelakaRanger |
If 2nd best is acceptable then that’s all you will achieve
Agree that for many years now underachieving has been accepted by the “powers that be”
To me the club has lost its identity. We have an owner who hardly ever attends matches. A CEO who despite his lack of experience thinks it’s acceptable to also be DOFand to treat supporters with disdain.
There is no Mr QPR like in Jim Gregory’s day. No characters, no one actually driving matters, no one engaging with the fans.
Look at Wrexham. Ok it’s an ego ride for 2 Hollywood stars and a tv show too but those owners turn up to watch matches. They have engaged with the club and the town. It’s a can do and positive attitude they have instillled. It might be all for the tv show but no matter, look what it’s doing for the club and the supporters. Winning is acceptable, losing is not. Compare that to QPR
I don’t believe anything will change for the better until we have a proper “football” owner who takes a true interest in the club and is seen walking the walk. They would then need to complete a complete clear out of the solely data driven management and fitness staff who, in my mind, are part of our problem.
In 60 years of supporting QPR I have seen many good times and plenty of bad times. I cannot see the good times coming back until sweeping ownership changes and management changes are made |  | | |
| Stephan on 08:10 - Feb 25 with 2031 views | Mr_Beef |
| Stephan on 07:12 - Feb 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
A very young, injury ravaged squad losses heavily away against a newly relegated team with parachute payments.
#Perspective. |
A fair point Wilkins. The question is why is the squad injury ravaged? Again. | | | |
| Stephan on 08:13 - Feb 25 with 2011 views | stevec |
We’ve been taken apart by pass and move sides time and again, Coventry, Ipswich, Boro, Southampton.
Injuries or otherwise, Stephan has got to become aware that there are sides we have to set up to contain and his 4-2-3-1 doesn’t do that.
The defence lost their heads last night but, when your front four are so inexperienced at this level, savvy teams will destroy us.
Some will learn from this but there are those that won’t and need to be weeded out fast. |  | | |
| Stephan on 08:17 - Feb 25 with 1990 views | daveB |
I'm not sure what else he is supposed to say, he doesn't want a pile in on the players so tried to take the pressure off them. No point slagging them all off as he'll need them on Saturday and beyond.
I could moan about his changes last night in the game or lack of changes to the starting 11 but he's done an OK job so far, pretty much same as last season.
Given what we spent the bare minimum this season should be more points than last season. Thats not a guarantee at the moment. |  | | |
| Stephan on 08:40 - Feb 25 with 1884 views | Burnleyhoop |
Plenty of mistakes made last night, but this team is running on fumes, with a massively depleted squad that’s absolutely riddled with injuries that only seems to get worse every week.We ended the game with half the development squad on the pitch, barely out their footballing nappies. Southampton are chock full of quality and squad depth and should be right up there and probably will be come season end.
We have to accept that another season of promise has been ruined, again, by an unacceptable incapacitation of the playing squad and not by a lack of effort from the few fit enough to turn up week in week out.
It’s probably fair to say that Walsh hasn’t played anywhere near enough senior football matches in the last five years and should be further along in his development and that’s probably true for a few of our development squad. But they have been thrown in at the deep end are doing the best they can under the circumstances. There is potential in all of them, but the going will be hard at this level with their inexperience.
The probable loss of Madsen only compounds our problems and the season is now likely over for us, so the focus absolutely needs to be on BW and so called conditioning team. This season has been nothing short of catastrophic. It needs to be significantly better next season. | | | |
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